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other than amir, nothing has happened yet. lots of rumours around turk and jose, maybe jack, but nothing that i've seen has actually gone down. hope to see you around more.
i was wondering if maybe you wanted to collaborate on some kind of update to your salary cap info thread from last year - maybe track it through the offseason together. thoughts?
if they somehow can keep bosh replace turk and jose and bargs with a center that can defend, a slasher/defender, and a pg then maybe but i really think were doomed for 4 years of sub .500 ball. Once all these crappy contracts are gone then maybe they can do something.
we need to upgrade everyone, but the reality is that this ain't exactly likely. i'm thinking that, realistically speaking, if we can get a wing or a pg who can attack the defense and break it down we'll be a lot better. preferably both positions. after that, a defensive big. i''ll take a bargs trade or a bosh s&t - either way we keep an offensive big that can stretch teh floor and add a low post bruiser guy. some perimiter d is the 3rd step, but that could happen in the same dude that is the penetrator.
really, i just think we're a good 2-way perimiter player and a solid big man away from being good. jose has to go because he's a major liability, and turk could go to, but if we address the perimiter and inside d and lose jose i think hedo can be a lot more effective for us. i just think i'd rather make these tweeks and make a run at the playoffs than blow the whole thing up and suffer through another 3-4 year complete rebuild.
i'm only looking forward to the jays to take my mind off the raps. the last few weeks have been an embarrassment.
that said, i'm not nearly as pessimistic as you are. i think hedo can be a good player for us if we just had a better starting pg that wasn't a complete redundancy with him in the lineup. i think jose will be paired with bosh in a s&t (at least i hope so). i think bargs is still a good player and his contract is reasonable. i love what i've seen from amir and weems and jack. all guys i'd love to keep around. i don't think we're in that bad a spot considering how bad turkoglu has been. tough year, but i don't think it will be 4 more years of being this terrible. i really don't.
if we package jose and bosh and get some space and a role player or two plus maybe a pick we can rebuild around bargs and derozan and a few others in a way that is more balanced.
and back to the jays for a second, although they won't be good this year, they have some great pieces to build around. i'm excited for the future for them. that team has a great deal more hope than the raps or leafs do.
I don't think we're that far off. I just state possibilities where your opinion seams to be more based on probabilities. That's all good. I'm just not willing to commit myself until I see them in action. Also with the Turk/Marion issue I'm looking at this years team, not the issues the players may have 3 years from now.
I agree Turk should allow the team to play better in key moments when they have to score. I just hope DD or someone can stop those high scoring slashers. Tired of seeing them embarassed. Until they find a player that can slow down those slashers they won't match up very well against some teams for the playoffs.
i don't think Bosh can be an "A" type. I don't think he's getting better any more. I'm not even certain they should re-sign him.
i agree with you on some of that, but there are a lot of issues i just don't see the way you do.
first, i don't see jack as a 2 unless it's just spot minutes, and roko has so much to prove before i'd consider giving him anything but garbage minutes. jose at 30 minutes and jack at 18 at the pg + another 5-8 at the sg is about perfect, imo.
while d is definitely the biggest problem, i am quite happy we didn;t keep marion. he didn't want to be in toronto, for starters. also, he's the kind of guy that will get worse as he gets older, and, imo, that will happen soon. his first step and his quick hops have both started to deteriorate already, and that's the stuff that fades fast, b/c hedo doesn't rely on that stuff he's more of a guy that we can lock into for a longer term. in 3 years i'd still be happy with hedo, but i think marion will be terrible. that gives us only 1 year with a questionable turkoglu before he becomes a valuable $12 or so expiring contract. i'm fine with that. it's so hard to imagine what the team will look like 4 years from now anyways.
the help that turk provides on offense is not so much about scoring per se... in that, i mean that it's not about how many touches we have to spread around. it's more about the ability to create when it comes down to those clutch touches. no more cb iso's on 5 defenders. if bosh touches the ball in teh clutch, it's only after hedo/jose have already broken down the d. that is a major difference from last year, and probably the most important thing we needed to fix.
also, i think, at this stage of his career, marion is an overrated defender, and turk is a underrated one. that is not to say that hedo is a better defender than marion - far from it - but more that hedo can do what it takes in a good team defensive scheme, and marion is not such a stopper that independent of a good scheme he's a real difference maker.
we will lose some of our fast break ability and our quick offensive rebounding, but i think we'll go back to being a solid half court team, which i prefer for the playoffs anyways. the media keeps talking about us as a fast break team, but i just don't see it. we don't have any real fast break guys remaining, except maybe dd, which is perfect for the kind of role he'll play.
so, d will be key, but marion didn't make such a difference that we wouldn't need a complete team defensive commitment anyways.
i agree that 4-6 is probable. top 3 is possible, but the team will really need to gel and bosh will have to emerge as an A type player. i think he can do that with the right supporting cast. frankly, i think that most people that see him as a B think that because they expect him to do things that no pf is ever expected to do, like create game winning plays all by himself. with a good team behind him, even at 4 out of 5 positions, i think the d is less focused on him and i think he can operate more within a realistic framework for his skill set and his position. he will certainly have to improve, but if he does, look out. we'll be tough.
that last sentence you wrote is spot on. size will be a big deal, deep bench will make a huge difference over last year, and the ability to rest starters and keep scoring starters on the floor will be invaluable. as i said, i'm optimistic. this is a great combination of players, and considering what my expectations were going into the offseason, i couldn't be happier. i think getting rid of marion allows us to build a team around bosh. keeping him would have just been a matter of adding a couple of guys around a team that only won 33 games. it's time for a new identity. i'm happy we went for a near complete makeover while keeping the main core intact. that's not easy to do from the financial position we had.
it's going alright man. hope you are well, if a bit bored...
not sure what to think about belli. i think demar should be starting and belli playing the spark plug off the bench role. at the end of the day, it will just depend on who's hot and who we need to guard to see who will get the bulk of the minutes. i don't think we're incredibly weak at sg. how many teams are strong 1-5 anyways? we will concentrate on the otehr 4 positions, and if we can get anything out of the 2 spot it's just gravy. i'm optimistic. hell, we can't be as bad as we were last year. does any of this make sense?