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Old 02-12-2012, 02:14 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Honest question:

How many of your friends or relatives do blow?
Well I obviously can't know what everyone does behind closed doors, but for people I know for a fact that do blow or other such drugs there are a couple family members, and a few friends. It used to be more when I was younger (teenage years n such) but I weeded people like that out of my life, yes obviously I still have friends that do it, but I'm not someone whos going to judge them or tell them what to do, just don't bring it in my house.

Not to mention my wife's side of it all, she has a few more drug and addiction related problems in her family, and the whole area around where she grew up (and we still live very close to) mostly everyone there did blow or sold it, so she still knows a lot of those people.

So yes, I've been exposed to it plenty, along with other drugs. I smoke weed, and I'm happy with that, but I would never touch blow or anything of the sort.

Edit: Also just to throw it out there my high school was a drug filled mess, half the students were wanna be trailor park gangsters that wanted to be "cool" and "fit in" so they did all kinds of different stuff, and the other half was rich kids with crack/coke addictions.

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Old 02-12-2012, 02:24 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well I obviously can't know what everyone does behind closed doors, but for people I know for a fact that do blow or other such drugs there are a couple family members, and a few friends. It used to be more when I was younger (teenage years n such) but I weeded people like that out of my life, yes obviously I still have friends that do it, but I'm not someone whos going to judge them or tell them what to do, just don't bring it in my house.

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Well, I wasn't concerned with you judging friends or relatives. I was asking more because, based on what I know of her situation, important people in Whitney's life were exposing her to drugs. It happens to a lot of celebrities. Shit gets normalized. It's tough to know for sure how you'd react when exposed to a completely different cultural situation.

I don't use blow. I have no desire to use blow. If I was famous and my wife was using it, though, I can't say for 100% that I wouldn't try it. After you try it a few times, who knows what happens.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:35 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Drugs are a choice in the end my man, you CHOOSE weather you do them or not, you create your own addictions. I agree with addictions not being easy to kick, but it was your own choices that lead you to the point of addiction.
It's just not wholly true. Yes there are psychological aspects. Even with those it's more about destroying the ego, not destroying your life. And the psychological side is just a complicating factor on top of the physical side where choice doesn't come into play anymore than a disease. Yes some drugs should clearly be avoided, but the initial need to try them comes from a human need to rise above the demands of the ego, not out of some decision to throw away a life entirely. I don't know if that makes Whitney more or less in need of sympathy. She did leave something behind. But it's hard for me not to feel a little sad over the shit she wasn't able to overcome, not as a celeb, but just as one of many people in the same situation. I don't get the need to just marginalize her.
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Old 02-12-2012, 02:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Well, I wasn't concerned with you judging friends or relatives. I was asking more because, based on what I know of her situation, important people in Whitney's life were exposing her to drugs. It happens to a lot of celebrities. Shit gets normalized. It's tough to know for sure how you'd react when exposed to a completely different cultural situation.

I don't use blow. I have no desire to use blow. If I was famous and my wife was using it, though, I can't say for 100% that I wouldn't try it. After you try it a few times, who knows what happens.
Sorry but if those are the important people to you, or your choosing to marry someone with a coke addiction, your bringing it on yourself, if they're really important, and find you just as important to them, they'd stop doing it, or at least respect you enough to keep it away.

It's moments in life like that where you have to realize what the hell is going on around you and the type of people you've involved yourself with.\

Given the situation you gave though, being famous with a wife or close friends doing blow, I could easily say I'd never touch it, I've watched blow and other drugs just tear peoples lives apart and destroy them mentally and physically. The negatives FAR outweigh any potential positive.

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It's just not wholly true. Yes there are psychological aspects. Even with those it's more about destroying the ego, not destroying your life. And the psychological side is just a complicating factor on top of the physical side where choice doesn't come into play anymore than a disease. Yes some drugs should clearly be avoided, but the initial need to try them comes from a human need to rise above the demands of the ego, not out of some decision to throw away a life entirely. I don't know if that makes Whitney more or less in need of sympathy. She did leave something behind. But it's hard for me not to feel a little sad over the shit she wasn't able to overcome, not as a celeb, but just as one of many people in the same situation. I don't get the need to just marginalize her.
I am in no way trying to shit on her or anything, I'm jus sayin, in my opinion and the way I feel about it, she could of avoided it, but chose not to. She then got into drugs more and more, and has now lead to what happened, she gets no pass or sympathy from me. I would also say the same for mostly every other human being or celebrity in general who has ended up in the same situation (whether it be death, rehab, bankrupt, or whatever else) Call me insensitive, hell maybe I am!
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Given the situation you gave though, being famous with a wife or close friends doing blow, I could easily say I'd never touch it, I've watched blow and other drugs just tear peoples lives apart and destroy them mentally and physically.
You're a better man than as all, Chigg. That's why you've got the medical degree!
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:02 PM   #26 (permalink)
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blow is fun. didn't tear my life apart, left it behind long ago. but then again, i didn't have an entire culture throwing me under the bus for betraying my race, whatever that means.

i dunno, drugs are usually a symptom, and the not ultimate cause of someone's life spiralling out of control. but any time a life spirals out of control, especially when that life is in possession of an artistic talent that is that rare, i find it tragic. you don't have to be perfect, or even good, to deserve a sympathetic response to death.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #27 (permalink)
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blow is fun. didn't tear my life apart, left it behind long ago.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:10 PM   #28 (permalink)
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i dunno, drugs are usually a symptom, and the not ultimate cause of someone's life spiralling out of control..
In the worst cases, that's probably true.
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Old 02-12-2012, 03:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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You're a better man than as all, Chigg. That's why you've got the medical degree!
Haha I'm no better than anyone else, just can resist something I watched tear people and families apart. I appreciate you thinkin' I'm that awesome though lol

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blow is fun. didn't tear my life apart, left it behind long ago. but then again, i didn't have an entire culture throwing me under the bus for betraying my race, whatever that means.
To each their own, and that happens in some cases, depends on personality usually with drugs, and body chemistry and what-not.

Not trying to say it ALWAYS has some life altering change either, just very strong possibility.
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Old 02-12-2012, 05:28 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I think this is horrible news, no matter what others think. I haven't felt this bad about a celebrity dying since Kurt Cobain, back when I was a teenager. Even when we all discussed in the Random Thought Thread over the summer about cigarette smoking, I didn't discount the difficulty folk would have in initially deciding to overcome it. How much more when the person, like Whitney, had been once addicted to mind-altering substances like alcohol & hard drugs?

Kurt Vonnegut Jr, a smoker, once wrote "The public health authorities never mention the main reason many Americans have for smoking heavily, which is that smoking is a fairly sure, fairly honorable form of suicide."

Now I'm not saying Whitney committed suicide on Saturday, but I wouldn't rule out that she 'gave up the ghost' if she felt death was indeed coming. I say this b/c like Whitney, I grew up in a loud black church which I'd attend sometimes 3-4 times in a week. And while you might (or might not) learn things in the bible n stuff, these type of churches don't teach ANYTHING in learning how to deal with personal trauma, other than 'give it to the Lord, give it to the Lord.' They don't teach anything in getting up & bringing yourself up off the floor.

That being said, with all the personal traumas she suffered, and the fact that her church upbringing was ingrained in her way more than it was in me (she became the premier singing voice in the world due to her gospel training, both in vocals AND spirit, for fuck's sake), overcoming substance abuse became THAT much harder for her, no matter anyone's opinion about the 'resources' she had at her disposal. 'Resources' don't account for things that can offset depression.

What I'm surprised about is the reported lack of support system among her friends to help her really get 'out of it.' On the other hand, there's only so much others can do when you're suffering from a terribly broken heart, and the very thing you've grown to trust in (ie--her type of church), gives you little to go on, but would rather condemn you for everything, including things that aren't even sin such as making a lucrative career out of singing secular songs instead of gospel.

Wow. I've said alot. I juss think her death is very tragic. I juss hope her daughter pulls through out of this w/minimal scarring.

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Old 02-12-2012, 06:48 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Just reading all these posts reminds me why this is such a good board. Good people here.

Whether you are deveasted or mourning for the loss of this woman, or you're indifferent for your own reasons, I am truly happy to be part of a board where people can deal with an issue like this civally and not rip each others faces off.

Thanks ladies and gents.

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Whether you are deveasted or mourning for the loss of this woman, or you're indifferent for your own reasons, I am truly happy to be part of a board where people can deal with an issue like this civally and not rip each others faces off.

Thanks ladies and gents.

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Old 02-13-2012, 05:57 AM   #34 (permalink)
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the first real sign of trouble was when she married Bobby Brown.
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Old 02-13-2012, 08:56 AM   #35 (permalink)
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I really felt nothing for this loss.
In my own mind she was lost to us for years and had become a bit of a joke.
Its never a good thing when this happens but really, why would I mourn her over any other OD victim.

For those close to her I hope they can find some closure and remember the good things she did.
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