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Old 01-07-2010, 05:14 PM   #361 (permalink)
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It was pretty wack...

YouTube - Big Pun feat. Black Thought - Super Lyrical

Maybe Pun's best song from a lyrical standpoint, and Black Thought just does his thing.
One of my fav Pun tracks. BP absolutely tears dat shit up! Nice pick Zachus.

Another dope Pun track:

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Old 01-07-2010, 09:17 PM   #362 (permalink)
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does anyone watch AUX tv on rogers by any chance? They usually have some cool features on local Toronto artists in the game.
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Old 01-09-2010, 05:17 PM   #363 (permalink)
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Here's a track from Canibus circa '98-1 of the illest lyricists imo. He would spit some shit that a week later you'd still be tripping over! The title says it all. Canibus absolutely gets retarded on this track. Straight fire. If your into some dope lyricism I suggest you guys check out his first album Can-i-bus...the production is not all there but what he spits more than makes up for it.


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Old 01-09-2010, 05:20 PM   #364 (permalink)
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Canibus is an amazing lyricist...

y'all should check out Cunninlynguist, CYNE, Apathy, Elzhi, Black Milk...theres more but my minds drawing a blank lol.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:09 AM   #365 (permalink)
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Old 01-11-2010, 03:54 AM   #366 (permalink)
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This is one of Lajoie's most recent songs. I love his stuff.


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Old 01-11-2010, 01:33 PM   #367 (permalink)
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A very slick acid jazz group out of Minnesota. Great song.
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Old 01-11-2010, 02:54 PM   #368 (permalink)
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I understand it 100%

I don't support it.

Period.
hey man -

I just find it hard to believe that the state of rough neighbourhoods can be blamed on hip-hop when there are so many other things to look to. These neighbourhoods were dangerous, and in most cases even more dangerous than today, before hip-hop was even an idea. The crack epidemic of the 80s came largely before the advent of gangster rap and rap that glorified the "thug" life. Just one example though. Besides, the vast majority of hip-hop listeners, the demographic keeping rappers and hip-hop record labels in business has been the white teenager in the suburbs. Take that as you will.

Moving away from the possibility of hip-hop as an alibi you've got so many other things present in the mainstream media that can be looked to as contributing factors. Movies that actually depict and glorify violence as opposed to narrating it, video games that allow you to take part in the violence, cartoons, tv shows, etc. The classic gangster films of the 70s and 80s glorified and promoted those lifestyles, yet they're seen as masterpieces, art, theatrical brilliance. How's it different?

That said I don't think hip-hop is totally innocent. Just one small piece in a large web of causes in a cause-effect relationship.
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:24 AM   #369 (permalink)
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I just find it hard to believe that the state of rough neighbourhoods can be blamed on hip-hop .....[rest of the post is full of great commentary]
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Great post, Zachus. He told us all to "fuck off", so I'd like to support your post. As Zachus was alluding to, there's an element of ethnocentrism in the attacks on hip-hop. Other cultural mediums just aren't held to the same standard.

With the exception of a small but temporary escalation a few years ago, gun violence has been going down in the United States since the mid 1990s. Ironically, that's when gansta raps' most public fueds began to surface. That is, the west coast vs east coast stuff. Gansta rap sales went up, while gun violence went down. The boom in the economy, during the second Clinton administration, had far more of an impact on people's lives than the music did. The emergence of gansta rap was more a mirror effect. You know, art and entertainment mirroring society. Fighting poverty, stoping institutional racism, and handling the drug war differently, will all do more to stop gun violence than eliminating a particular genre of art/music. In some places in Canada, such as Manitoba and Quebec, the Hells Angels (biker gangs) are responsible for a lot of the violence in poor neighbourhoods...it's drug related turf wars with collateral damage. Gun violene is not the same everywhere in Canada. It has a lot to do with what types of local gangs are "running things" and what level of competition there is for "control of the streets."

This all started with a comment about not supporting music that isn't a 100% positive. How can a person live a fufilling life if they only support art and creativity that is a 100% positive. Much of the entertainment/art produced is not 100% positive, as Zachus was mentioning. If art and entertainment mediums are going to shed light on the human condition, then, almost by definition, they will have to shed light on, and mirror, really shitty stuff. Now, having said that, I sometimes listen to songs that go overboard with the swearing and negative comments towards others. But some of those same songs make very astute observations about life. It's unfortunate, but many songs have good statements mixed with bad ones. Can a person really live an enjoyable, well rounded life if they are only going to listen to, read, or watch art and entertainment that is 100% positive? What a boring life.

Some of the best quotes I've ever read have come from terrible people, like Nazis or communist dictators, who supported aweful things that led to lots of deaths. Like gangsta rappers, those people shouldn't be looked at as role models, but their words shouldn't be completely dismissed either. It's ethnocentric to hold one type of cultural or artistic medium to a standard that is not being applied to other forms of written expression. In the Chinese culture, the words of Mao might offer inspiration, even though his words and policies led to millions of deaths. Personally, I find the following quotes to be worth repeating:

"Sweat saves blood, blood saves lives, and brains saves both." - Erwin Rommel

"You fight your war and I'll fight mine." - Mao

I'm not completely shutting myself off from Rommell and Mao's words just because some of their other statements are disgusting. Similarly, I am not going to stop listening to Wax or Tupac just because they make some statements I disagree with. Again, it would be a boring life if I shut myself off from these things just because they are not 100% positive. Again, great post, Zachus.
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Old 01-12-2010, 04:41 AM   #370 (permalink)
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:18 AM   #371 (permalink)
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Hip hop/rap has become a parody of itself for the most part.
Art imitating life imitating art.
Garbage since '96.
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I'm not completely shutting myself off from Rommell and Mao's words just because some of their other statements are disgusting. Similarly, I am not going to stop listening to Wax or Tupac just because they make some statements I disagree with. Again, it would be a boring life if I shut myself off from these things just because they are not 100% positive. Again, great post, Zachus.
cheers man, couldn't agree more.


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Old 01-16-2010, 12:34 PM   #373 (permalink)
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Old 01-16-2010, 01:42 PM   #374 (permalink)
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Hip hop/rap has become a parody of itself for the most part.
Art imitating life imitating art.
Garbage since '96.
hip hop did fall off but they're still some dudes holding it down like Jadakiss
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The good music isn't on the radio or even on the public radar, it's all underground. A little bit of digging and searching and you'll find the good stuff. Just takes some work.
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Back in 93', when I was youngster, this was awesome.

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The best song from one of the best hip-hop albums of all time. So much soul.
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:11 PM   #379 (permalink)
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Old 01-20-2010, 03:30 PM   #380 (permalink)
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DOOM and Mos Def next Wednesday @ Kool Haus...

Some of you guys should go check it out I'm expecting a crazy show.

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