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Old 07-30-2008, 12:10 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Oops I hadn't read Coltrane's post.

We basically said the same thing. lol
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:10 PM   #62 (permalink)
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What about Guitarists.....

I say Adrian Legg and Joe Satriano
we need categories here. those guys are good, but they're just shredders.

andres segovia is the greatest guitarist of all time, categories be damned. anyone that can voice lead bach on a nylon string acoustic is leaps and bounds beyond anyone else. he's the undisputed master of the most difficult kind of guitar music. 'nuff said.

right behind him are the jazz masters. kenny burrell tops them out, followed by wes montgomery and grant green. django reinhardt desrves mention too for re-inventing jazz guitar on the remnants of severely burned hands and still being a technical master. these guys recorded some of the greatest albums of all time, and it was mostly done in 1 or 2 takes. style, technique, improvisational ability... these guys put rock guitarists to shame.

if we are talking about rock, you can mention the vai's and satriani's, but i think they're hollow. all technique and no depth. i'd take old schooll van halen over those guys any day.

often forgotten is trey anastasio from phish. that guy is truly an incredible guitarist. wide breadth huge technical talent and an imrov master as well.

and hendrix. never forget about hendrix.

these guys get my votes, hands down.
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:15 PM   #63 (permalink)
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It depends on what you are looking for in a musician.

For me the number one thing is the capability to write creative great songs. Number two is to play creative solos. Number 3 is to play with a good technique.

That is why I think Hendrix is the best on guitar and Jaco is the best on bass.

They could do those three things at a level that few could do.
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:15 PM   #64 (permalink)
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One of the best bass players I've ever heard that gets absolutley no recognition is Peter Cetera.

Listen to any Chicago song from 69 through 78. The dude can flat out play.

Some of my other personal favourites are McCartney, Geezer Butler, John Paul Jones, Jack Bruce, James Jamerson and John Entwhistle.
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:17 PM   #65 (permalink)
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its a matter of opinion I guess, but IMO pastorious creativity had no match, his technique and use of harmonics are the best too IMO. Mingus was obviously great too. Then again one played bass and the other one Double bass so its dificult to compare them.
to me they are comparable. double bass is much more difficult, although the electric bass is more versatile.

the way i see it, pastorius' music was simpler. he didn't have that level of compositional talent, nor that ability to astonish someone with a musical direction. he was creative and talented, no doubt, but i just see that style of music as less sophisticated. mingus was also a band leader and had a sweeping vision for the direction of the whole genre of jazz music. he was so much more than a bass player. mingus was at least even with him in technique, so i see that as a moot point.

this is, of course, just my opinion, so i don't mean to put anyone down. i just disagree.
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Old 07-30-2008, 12:27 PM   #66 (permalink)
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As I see it, I would say Mingus probably wins in musical knowledge. Jaco for me wins in creativity.



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Old 07-30-2008, 12:36 PM   #67 (permalink)
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again, not so much for me, but we can disagree on that point.

mingus:

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creativity in a larger band context

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Old 07-30-2008, 12:44 PM   #68 (permalink)
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hehe, lets say we agree that both were beasts and obviously we prefer the one that play the style we like more.

On being assholes Mingus won though lol, Jaco wasnt the most likeable guy, but didnt Mingus punch one of his musician in a concert?
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Stanley Clarke is one of my favourite jazz bassists.



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mingus was an all-out personality, that's for sure. he definitely punched a musician, probably more than once. he also, much like buddy rich, fired guys while on stage if they missed beats or key parts.

you should read his autobiography 'beneath the underdog'. it's mostly about him being a pimp, but he does touch on the whole jazz legend thing a fair bit too.
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Stanley Clarke is one of my favourite jazz bassists.



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we need categories here. those guys are good, but they're just shredders.
I wouldnt have called Legg a shredder,

Anyone like John Williams?
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love Stanly, I prefer him in the double bass though.
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I wouldnt have called Legg a shredder,

Anyone like John Williams?
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Old 07-30-2008, 01:20 PM   #76 (permalink)
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John Williams is a true master, probably only surpassed by Segovia.
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I just dont get jazz music, I mean as far as skill, delivery, composition etc it is very well put together but it just doesnt get me.
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it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing snooch!
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snooch - it may also help to remember that in their time these guys were the baddest motherfuckers around. miles davis' autobiography goes into this in detail (and is hilarious).

nowadays guys want to show their moves - on the court, with sick hops, nuts crossovers, massive dunks, or on stage with bad-ass rhymes, awesome beats, great flow and creative freestyling. in those days they did it with composition, with improvisations, with crazy instrumentation and technique.

when coltrane or miles davis played a solo, he was standing there on stage daring anyone to try to match his talent. this was a massive contest with no rules and no end. there's a lot of this in the appreciation of jazz. personally i lov ethe music too, but i really get down on seeing the best in the world do what they do. watch any charlie parker or dizzy and there's no doubt that these guys are the baddest motherfuckers on the planet.
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Oh, I agree that the musicians are pretty brilliant, its the music, it just dont get me. But I definately appreciate it...
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