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b55bgc 06-13-2012 09:06 AM

movie thread with spoilers
 
Note - if you want to talk about movies but are giving away plot, please use this thread rather than the "latest movie you saw" thread.
'trane






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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 652739)
saw prometheus last night. stunning visually, but the writing was awful. i mean really bad dialogue and thin characters. it's a good entertaining movie, but nowhere near the kind of film that alien was. not sure if that is fair, but it is clearly true. alien had this great mix of exciting action, solid, well-rounded characters, a terrific plot, a fear factor... it was a full-bodied film, so to speak. prometheus was nowhere near that. the plot was too big and too thinly explored. it felt like a 2 hour opening scene to a big movie, and i guess with the upcoming sequels that's what it will be. but as a stand-along movie it was so shallow as to be humourous.

7/10 for the scenery and action alone.

the one with denzel as a pilot could be interesting,. but the rest were cringe-worthy. simultaneously an entertaining and disappointing night at the theatre for me.

I may be biased but i thought the story was very well thought up.
It left allot of questions that i hope will be in a sequel. But it also answered a lot of questions too.

I also think that there was some good character development in the two main characters of shaw and david.
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Why would you develope characters which will be killed off at any moment?

'trane 06-13-2012 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 653479)
Why would you develope characters which will be killed off at any moment?

if no one cares about the characters, no one cares if they die. there was so little to connect to in that story. it wasn't starship troopers or anything, but it was far, far away from having any depth.

b55bgc 06-13-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 653482)
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if no one cares about the characters, no one cares if they die. there was so little to connect to in that story. it wasn't starship troopers or anything, but it was far, far away from having any depth.

I am only asking this because I dont get where your coming from.
Give me an example of the lack of depth. Without mentioning any red shirt character.

'trane 06-13-2012 12:10 PM

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i don't think any of them really had much depth. shaw, maybe, but some of the stuff that came up was really out of the blue, and seemed like it was inserted just to drive a plot development in that moment, instead of built as a rounded character. her reproductive capacity was a perfect example of this. they way it was disclosed, right before it was needed for a plot development, was lazy and uninteresting.

i guess you could say david had some depth as well, but i thought some of it was really weak. i mean he was giving sarcastic responses to things that he wasn't supposed to have the ability to care about. i thought, even though fassbender gave a good acting performance, that the writing was weak because it didn't develop any of his traits. it just stated them and didn't address any of the times those traits conflicted with each other. i think that is lazy character development.

every other character was a charicature, underused or hopelessly inconsistent. here are a few examples - the biologist is completely uninterested in the fact that the probe had discovered a life form, so much so that he wanted to run in the opposite direction, yet he was fascinated when he saw the snake-like thing.

the geologist had nothing to him besides just being a negative guy/skeptic. he was irrelevant to the plot except as an eventual monster.

shaw's husband was bizarre. he seemed pretty juvenile most fo the time, yet was involved in this multi-trillion dollar project because his wife found something and he believed in it? and then when he finds what he is looking for, but it isn't alive, his first inclination is to get ripping drunk?

the two co-pilot guys had no purpose in the entire film except to blow themselves up, and even then had pretty much no purpose. you make the captain a good pilot and those guys have no function at all. and why is the captian not a good pilot? why was any of that necessary? it's not that it is wrong, it's just that it has no depth, no rhyme nor reason. they just stuffed characters in and gave them irrelevant parts without connecting it all together. i never felt that way about alien.

the whole crew, upon arriving on the planet, has basically no enthusiasm or reaction to seeing non-natural formations (a landing strip and buildings). this is very weak. i mean, how could they not be blown away by this? how could they not develop some kind of character interplay around this moment? they just breezed through it like they were on a plane to vegas or something. hey, that looks cool, let's land there!

the old guy wasn't developed at all, and neither was charlize theron's. maybe that will come later, but if i don't care about central characters after watching a film about them for 2 hours, something is missing.


all in all, i felt that the writing was weak. the characters were part of that, but the way that the plot was driven and some of the central themes were expressed was really disappointing. it felt slapped together. i could go on, but these are some examples of why i thought the film was very shallow.

i dunno. shaw and david were interesting, but both a bit flawed. the rest of the characters had almost nothing to them.

b55bgc 06-13-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 653543)
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i don't think any of them really had much depth. shaw, maybe, but some of the stuff that came up was really out of the blue, and seemed like it was inserted just to drive a plot development in that moment, instead of built as a rounded character. her reproductive capacity was a perfect example of this. they way it was disclosed, right before it was needed for a plot development, was lazy and uninteresting.

i guess you could say david had some depth as well, but i thought some of it was really weak. i mean he was giving sarcastic responses to things that he wasn't supposed to have the ability to care about. i thought, even though fassbender gave a good acting performance, that the writing was weak because it didn't develop any of his traits. it just stated them and didn't address any of the times those traits conflicted with each other. i think that is lazy character development.

every other character was a charicature, underused or hopelessly inconsistent. here are a few examples - the biologist is completely uninterested in the fact that the probe had discovered a life form, so much so that he wanted to run in the opposite direction, yet he was fascinated when he saw the snake-like thing.

the geologist had nothing to him besides just being a negative guy/skeptic. he was irrelevant to the plot except as an eventual monster.

shaw's husband was bizarre. he seemed pretty juvenile most fo the time, yet was involved in this multi-trillion dollar project because his wife found something and he believed in it? and then when he finds what he is looking for, but it isn't alive, his first inclination is to get ripping drunk?

the two co-pilot guys had no purpose in the entire film except to blow themselves up, and even then had pretty much no purpose. you make the captain a good pilot and those guys have no function at all. and why is the captian not a good pilot? why was any of that necessary? it's not that it is wrong, it's just that it has no depth, no rhyme nor reason. they just stuffed characters in and gave them irrelevant parts without connecting it all together. i never felt that way about alien.

the whole crew, upon arriving on the planet, has basically no enthusiasm or reaction to seeing non-natural formations (a landing strip and buildings). this is very weak. i mean, how could they not be blown away by this? how could they not develop some kind of character interplay around this moment? they just breezed through it like they were on a plane to vegas or something. hey, that looks cool, let's land there!

the old guy wasn't developed at all, and neither was charlize theron's. maybe that will come later, but if i don't care about central characters after watching a film about them for 2 hours, something is missing.


all in all, i felt that the writing was weak. the characters were part of that, but the way that the plot was driven and some of the central themes were expressed was really disappointing. it felt slapped together. i could go on, but these are some examples of why i thought the film was very shallow.

i dunno. shaw and david were interesting, but both a bit flawed. the rest of the characters had almost nothing to them.

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Sheesh you really picked it apart.
Myself i thought the biologist reacting had the same type of reaction as dutch from the second aliens. He was a military soldier and he wanted to run away. Its a very human reaction and shows the viewer a bit of his character.

Shaws husband came off as a dreamer and an idealist. HIs reaction to everything was in awe. I thought his character came accross perfectly. Even up to his death he portrayed this quality.

The Captain was awesome, had that old school feel to him, right up to the nostalgic instrument he played. Had that tough guy stoic feel to him.
The co-captains were there for a paycheque and nothing else. They even said it in the movie.

'trane 06-13-2012 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 653591)
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Sheesh you really picked it apart.
Myself i thought the biologist reacting had the same type of reaction as dutch from the second aliens. He was a military soldier and he wanted to run away. Its a very human reaction and shows the viewer a bit of his character.

Shaws husband came off as a dreamer and an idealist. HIs reaction to everything was in awe. I thought his character came accross perfectly. Even up to his death he portrayed this quality.

The Captain was awesome, had that old school feel to him, right up to the nostalgic instrument he played. Had that tough guy stoic feel to him.
The co-captains were there for a paycheque and nothing else. They even said it in the movie.

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so if the biologist had that human reaction in once instant, why not when there was a crazy snake creature coming out of the black ooze? it was incionsistent. and what biologist reaches his hand out in a situation like that? he seemed like alittle kid with no idea what to do.

shaw's husband the idealist and dreamer? if you read what logan marshall-green said about the character, he says the exact opposite: He contrasted Holloway to Shaw, saying "she’s the believer. I’m the scientist. I’m the skeptic. I’m the atheist" (taken from wiki). he's supposed to be the 'push it to the edge' scientist, yet people are seeing him as the dreamer. to me, that's speaks to inconsistency in the writing. we should be sure of what he is and what he represents.

the captain was a stereotype (the ol' sea dog), and the instrument was a token of this. i found no depth to his character. he was basically a cardboard cutout from any space movie - old school, stoic, trustworthy - hell, he even went down with his ship. meh.

Bill Haverchuck 06-13-2012 02:42 PM

I saw Prometheus with 3 other people and 'trane just managed to highlight all our criticisms by himself. Just figured I'd give a +1 to his post so that people don't think he's being too harsh. It's a pretty soild critique, in my opinion.

Superjudge 06-13-2012 02:44 PM

Well I wasnt planning to watch it anyhow so good, glad I know not to bother.

Watched Wrath of the Titans though.... not gettin gthem hours back am i?


:(

Bill Haverchuck 06-13-2012 02:48 PM

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David seemed kind of malicious, which is what I was referring to when I mentioned his "antics" in my previous post. He seems to be carrying out an act of revenge against Shaw's boyfriend/the other scientist. For a robot, he seemed emotional at times.


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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 653594)
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so if the biologist had that human reaction in once instant, why not when there was a crazy snake creature coming out of the black ooze? it was incionsistent. and what biologist reaches his hand out in a situation like that? he seemed like alittle kid with no idea what to do.

Probably one of the worst things in the movie. .

'trane 06-13-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 653600)


Probably one of the worst things in the movie. .

the worst thing was definitely the repeated line : "it's what i choose to believe"


some scientist...

Bill Haverchuck 06-13-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 653609)
the worst thing was definitely the repeated line : "it's what i choose to believe"


some scientist...

haha

Well, that character was modelled after Francis Collins.

b55bgc 06-13-2012 03:21 PM

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I do agree with the scientist putting his hand out to a long penis in the black goo being a pretty bad point in the movie.

I dunno, i just really enjoyed it. Enjoyed being in that world for a couple of hours. I mean it beats sitting through another superhero movie.

'trane 06-13-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b55bgc (Post 653611)
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I do agree with the scientist putting his hand out to a long penis in the black goo being a pretty bad point in the movie.

I dunno, i just really enjoyed it. Enjoyed being in that world for a couple of hours. I mean it beats sitting through another superhero movie.

i gave it a 7/10, so it wasn't that bad, imo. as i said at first, it was visually stunning, it just had bad writing. i was certainly entertained, if disappointed. a couple of times i have wondered if it is fair to compare it to alien and aliens. against those two i found it weak, but it's not like it was a piece of garbage.

pzabby 06-17-2012 03:24 AM

just saw project x. It was a movie for all extremes. But if it were just that, I wouldn't nearly like it as much. It had a feel good plot behind it.

7.5/10

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some unknown highschool kid (again, to an extreme, everyone practically knows everyone in Highschool) has a friend who convinces him to throw a massive party. This kid reluctantly agrees, and it turns out to be a massive, once in a lifetime kinda bash. the feel good plot behind it is that this kid, although goes in massive debt, burns his house down, etc, becomes

A) popular with this
B) gets some real nice chicks at the party (again to an extreme, the highschool with the nicest looking gals in t.o known as north toronto doesn't even have chicks that hot)
C) gets together with his childhood best friend (a girl of course), even after she walks in on him nearly sleeping with another, very very nice looking, gal. (again an extreme, cause there'd be no chance for them to be back together)

it's a nice flick.

Chris 06-17-2012 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 654662)
just saw project x. It was a movie for all extremes. But if it were just that, I wouldn't nearly like it as much. It had a feel good plot behind it.

7.5/10

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some unknown highschool kid (again, to an extreme, everyone practically knows everyone in Highschool) has a friend who convinces him to throw a massive party. This kid reluctantly agrees, and it turns out to be a massive, once in a lifetime kinda bash. the feel good plot behind it is that this kid, although goes in massive debt, burns his house down, etc, becomes

A) popular with this
B) gets some real nice chicks at the party (again to an extreme, the highschool with the nicest looking gals in t.o known as north toronto doesn't even have chicks that hot)
C) gets together with his childhood best friend (a girl of course), even after she walks in on him nearly sleeping with another, very very nice looking, gal. (again an extreme, cause there'd be no chance for them to be back together)

it's a nice flick.

Based after a huge party that was thrown in Australia I heard.

DVS 06-18-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 652739)
saw prometheus last night. stunning visually, but the writing was awful. i mean really bad dialogue and thin characters. it's a good entertaining movie, but nowhere near the kind of film that alien was. not sure if that is fair, but it is clearly true. alien had this great mix of exciting action, solid, well-rounded characters, a terrific plot, a fear factor... it was a full-bodied film, so to speak. prometheus was nowhere near that. the plot was too big and too thinly explored. it felt like a 2 hour opening scene to a big movie, and i guess with the upcoming sequels that's what it will be. but as a stand-along movie it was so shallow as to be humourous.

7/10 for the scenery and action alone.

the life of pi was a massively overrated book that will not likely be a good film. ang lee is pretty good at making a lot out of a few simple scenes, so maybe something has been found here, but i thought the book was boring as hell, and i can't see a film version being any more interesting.

in fact, all of the previews looked awful - total recall? yikes. abe lincoln vampire hunter - double yikes.

the one with denzel as a pilot could be interesting,. but the rest were cringe-worthy. simultaneously an entertaining and disappointing night at the theatre for me.

When I read this post I was so trying to avoid this movie but I basically got outnumbered at the theatre to go see it. All your comments came true I'd like to add one more thing





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Didn't you not find that the movie could have ended 3 or 4 times? I swear I think I prematurely got off my chair a few times it really was annoying. Also, the part when Shaw was in recovery, knocked out two people in recovery and used that high tech machine to have a C section made me wonder later in the movie. Why didn't anyone on the ship realise two men were down? why wouldn't anyone see if one of the most expensive machines on the ship was compromised and ummm well had a friggin alien in it?

It wasn't a terrible movie not one I'd recommend

'trane 06-18-2012 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DVS (Post 655031)
When I read this post I was so trying to avoid this movie but I basically got outnumbered at the theatre to go see it. All your comments came true I'd like to add one more thing





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Didn't you not find that the movie could have ended 3 or 4 times? I swear I think I prematurely got off my chair a few times it really was annoying. Also, the part when Shaw was in recovery, knocked out two people in recovery and used that high tech machine to have a C section made me wonder later in the movie. Why didn't anyone on the ship realise two men were down? why wouldn't anyone see if one of the most expensive machines on the ship was compromised and ummm well had a friggin alien in it?

It wasn't a terrible movie not one I'd recommend




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for me the whole movie seemed like a really long intro scene. there were no endings, it was just a bunch of totally unexplained stuff that happened. maybe it will come around with a sequel or a trilogy, but for now there wasn't much to it. just there's no real story arc. meh, i'm probably looking for too much in it.

Superjudge 06-18-2012 10:23 PM

Hey, spoilr idiots, why not make a thread called Movie spoilers so we dont have to look at spoilers to movies we have yet to see, scroll as fast as yo ulike, you end up reading a bit. Have some effin respect Jackals, tell peeps you're ruining a movie for um doesnt mke it ok to do it.

:(

dfunkie1 06-18-2012 10:26 PM

plus plus plus

the last two pages are either spoilers or quotes of spoilers of a movie i'm looking forward to seeing. private convo that stuff

Barracuda 06-18-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 655135)
Hey, spoilr idiots, why not make a thread called Movie spoilers so we dont have to look at spoilers to movies we have yet to see, scroll as fast as yo ulike, you end up reading a bit. Have some effin respect Jackals, tell peeps you're ruining a movie for um doesnt mke it ok to do it.

:(

I admit it. I am actually agreeing with the Head Jackal. ;)


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