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LX 04-28-2011 08:29 AM

A Hypothetiroyal situation
 
You are in London. You have only two options - cheer on the royals on their big day, or join up with anarchists breaking windows and getting arrested. What do you pick?


fancylad 04-28-2011 09:10 AM

Given the two options, I'll cheer outside of Westminister Abbey.

My wife has been going royal crazy this week. Every night we have to watch one of those 'greaing up for the wedding' shows that's on pretty much every channel this week. yesterday it was one that compared Kate to Diana. Oh wait all of those shows are exactly the same and they all compare kate to Diana while showing the exact same footage and interviewing the exact same 'insiders'. :bonk:.

Love the musical selection btw LX.

jeffb 04-28-2011 09:26 AM

I couldn't care less about the royal family. That being said, since those are the only options I guess I'll cheer.

Acie 04-28-2011 09:33 AM

The whole thing is quite nauseating.

Abolish the monarchy!

jeffb 04-28-2011 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 533711)
The whole thing is quite nauseating.

Abolish the monarchy!

This I agree with. I just can't wait for this wedding to be over!

archie63 04-28-2011 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 533711)
The whole thing is quite nauseating.

Abolish the monarchy!

Just out of curiosity 'cause I could be wrong: Is Canada still in the Commonwelth and if so has something to do with monarchy or is just an economic matter?

fancylad 04-28-2011 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 533714)
This I agree with. I just can't wait for this wedding to be over!

I totally don't understand your extreme stand on this event. How on Earth is the royal wedding such a big deal and so ever present in your life that you 'can't wait for it to be over'? Seriously, i can understand if you lived in England then maybe all the hype and press would get a bit annoying, but over here? It's the lightest of issues and other than being talked about in some media outlets, it's pretty much a non factor.

I don't know about you, but from my point of view it's life carrying on as normal over here.

Maybe i should suggest that if you don't like a certain program or if they talk about something you aren't interested in on the news, just change the channel or turn it off and do something else.

jeffb 04-28-2011 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 533718)
I totally don't understand your extreme stand on this event. How on Earth is the royal wedding such a big deal and so ever present in your life that you 'can't wait for it to be over'? Seriously, i can understand if you lived in England then maybe all the hype and press would get a bit annoying, but over here? It's the lightest of issues and other than being talked about in some media outlets, it's pretty much a non factor.

I don't know about you, but from my point of view it's life carrying on as normal over here.

Maybe i should suggest that if you don't like a certain program or if they talk about something you aren't interested in on the news, just change the channel or turn it off and do something else.

Everywhere I look it's discussed. No need to be that sensitive, I just don't want to hear about it all over the news, cnn and the commercials everywhere. Sorry but like Acie said, it's nauseating. And I don't see someone saying they want this done as being an extreme stand. Nothing extreme about that.

fancylad 04-28-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 533720)
Everywhere I look it's discussed. No need to be that sensitive, I just don't want to hear about it all over the news, cnn and the commercials everywhere. Sorry but like Acie said, it's nauseating. And I don't see someone saying they want this done as being an extreme stand. Nothing extreme about that.

I'm not being sensitive as I'm not some royals 'fan.' Gosh i spend all my time laughing at those royal shows when my wife has them on.

My stand on this whole thing is that it's a bit of a joke, but i just don't find that it's 'taking over.' as i said it's pretty easy to change the channel and spare some of nausea or the rage that's apparently taking over you Jeff (and Acie ;)).

jeffb 04-28-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 533721)
I'm not being sensitive as I'm not some royals 'fan.' Gosh i spend all my time laughing at those royal shows when my wife has them on.

My stand on this whole thing is that it's a bit of a joke, but i just don't find that it's 'taking over.' as i said it's pretty easy to change the channel and spare some of nausea or the rage that's apparently taking over you Jeff (and Acie ;)).

Rage? Lol whatever, I don't see where you see rage.

fancylad 04-28-2011 10:17 AM

tongue in cheek Jeffy. It was my own LOL moment. (but seriously though... just change the channel)

Anyways, back to things that matter (LOL):

What the hell happened to Prince William in the last decade? Remember when he was younger and people used to say how he inherited his mother's good looks and how handsome he was blah blah blah. Uhh not quite nowadays, huh WIlls?

Barracuda 04-28-2011 10:18 AM

I'm tired of seeing Royal Wedding stuff everywhere I turn. I really couldn't care less about it, so I wish it wasn't in my face so much. It's no different than a Kardashian wedding to me, it's just more people I don't know or care about.


That said, given those options, I guess I'd have to cheer. And then it would be over, and we could get back to regularly scheduled programming, thankyouverymuch.

Barracuda 04-28-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 533723)
tongue in cheek Jeffy. It was my own LOL moment. (but seriously though... just change the channel)

Anyways, back to things that matter (LOL):

What the hell happened to Prince William in the last decade? Remember when he was younger and people used to say how he inherited his mother's good looks and how handsome he was blah blah blah. Uhh not quite nowadays, huh WIlls?

He peaked at 15. Poor guy!

'trane 04-28-2011 10:44 AM

there are 2 fascinating elements about this wedding for me:

1. is the guest list, which includes every living former tory prime minister, but does not include tony blair or gordon brown. it also includes several leaders of brutal regimes that have committed significant human rights violations over the past year. the once politically independant monarchy is now significantly partisan within england and completely out of touch with human rights outside britain. nice!

2. is the degree to which this is hyped up by the windsor family to see how popular william is. he and kate wanted a small thing, and the queen insisted it be huge. she is trying to guage the popularity of willy, thinking that a significant upsurge might be a good reason to skip charles in succession.

they are a bunch of rich twats that hobnob with fascists, and their desperation to restore glory to the throne is fascinating to me. i won't be watching, but the whole circus has some significant correlative effects.

Dutches 04-28-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by archie63 (Post 533717)
Just out of curiosity 'cause I could be wrong: Is Canada still in the Commonwelth and if so has something to do with monarchy or is just an economic matter?

Yes we are. The Queen is technically our Head of State, even though she never exercises her power here.

Dutches 04-28-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 533727)
2. is the degree to which this is hyped up by the windsor family to see how popular william is. he and kate wanted a small thing, and the queen insisted it be huge. she is trying to guage the popularity of willy, thinking that a significant upsurge might be a good reason to skip charles in succession.

Charles was being skipped waaaay before this wedding even came into existence. His ideas for "changing the face of the monarchy" were, and still are, extremely unpopular. Plus he looks like Dumbo and Bozo the clown had a love child. William is the next King, Charles isn't going anywhere near that crown.

'trane 04-28-2011 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutches (Post 533763)
Charles was being skipped waaaay before this wedding even came into existence. His ideas for "changing the face of the monarchy" were, and still are, extremely unpopular. Plus he looks like Dumbo and Bozo the clown had a love child. William is the next King, Charles isn't going anywhere near that crown.

i wouldn't be so quick to say that. there isn't much historical precedent for skipping a generation, and charles has spent his whole life cultivating the connections needed to be king. he also has a lot of sway with the 'way ahead' group.

while there has been an interest from teh public in skipping a generation, that does not necessarily mean that the royals have any intent to actually do it.

this is an interesting article:

Britain's crisis of succession: Charles and the story behind the royal wedding - The Globe and Mail

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British papers, and even some parliamentarians, began to discuss openly something that only had been whispered before: the possibility, constitutionally feasible but rare in practice, of “skipping” Charles and passing the line of succession to William. Behind this speculation lay a mounting fear that Charles’s tenure on the throne could ruin the institution unless something dramatic were done.

The Windsors’ committee, the Way Ahead Group, was launched in 1994 by the Lord Chamberlain, the Earl of Airlie, and it includes the Queen, Prince Philip, Prince Charles and their private secretaries, as well as Princess Anne and Princes Andrew and Edward.

Its mandate revolves around constitutional issues surrounding the monarchy, such as the question of royal marriages to Roman Catholics or the end of precedence for male heirs (both, ultimately, parliamentary subjects), says Katie Nicholl, a London-based Royal Family expert with contacts within the committee.

But increasingly, she says, it has become obsessed with the larger question of the monarchy’s survival after Elizabeth II’s death.

And by the end of 2009, Charles was becoming a serious threat to that future: Even as he was touring Canada, the London media were revealing that in the previous decade he had become a compulsively outspoken political actor, lobbying more than a dozen British cabinet ministers, including the Prime Minister, with his infamous “black-spider letters” – so-called because of his distinctive penmanship and his persistence – at least fortnightly, demanding meetings and seeking changes to legislation.

His role as a political lobbyist and owner of a $50-million-a-year business empire was eclipsing his role as a future monarch. And there was increasing evidence that he intended to maintain and even amplify it.

“We can’t underestimate Charles’s belief in himself,” said Graham Smith, the head of the anti-monarchist group Republic. “He has a genuine messianic complex. He’s been on a lifelong mission to reshape the country in his image.” In this, Mr. Smith says, the republican cause has received its brightest gift: a potential monarch who doesn’t shake hands and fade into the background, one who gets in the way.

When the Way Ahead Group met in the summer of 2009, chaired by Prince Philip, the core question was how to prevent the monarchy from fading into irrelevance or distrust, and keep it revered and respected in the eyes of a new generation. Charles, according to witnesses, dismissed this talk as “impertinent,” and tried to steer the agenda, as he generally does at such meetings, into ecological politics.

But by year’s end it was apparent to everyone – except perhaps Charles – that the monarchy was facing a larger threat, from a hostile Parliament and an indifferent public, after the Queen’s demise, unless its elite was able to shift the playing field by doing something dramatic. And then, in the late months of 2010, something dramatic materialized – or, rather, something pleasantly ordinary, involving a grandson and a pretty girl, that could be engineered into something more.


LX 04-28-2011 04:08 PM

I just have a visceral reaction to this being any kind of event of note. It makes my head feel like it might explode. I feel like smashing things, so the choice to do so with anarchists would be pretty easy. I just don't get it. I really don't get it. I can see the whole Cinderalla-type of deal coming to life - but not really.

INSIDER 04-28-2011 04:56 PM

i dont mind the hoopla and constant bombardment of 'royal wedding' stuff. it so much better than the constant bombardment of other horrible news that we've been used to over the last few years.
every day theres some horrible shit going on in the world... people killing people, death, disease, etc... we kinda get a break from that and hear about something nice for a change - a wedding.
after the wedding we'll go back to the depressing reality in the world, so i'll take a couple of weeks of wedding news.

if i was english i'd be all over this, and happy for them... why not? its their culture its what makes them different. i for one like that culture and history.

js12 04-28-2011 09:29 PM

None of the above.

A wedding for famous people; none of my business.


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