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Old 05-23-2009, 05:36 AM   #1 (permalink)
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BEIJING Chen Fuchao, a man heavily in debt, had been contemplating suicide on a bridge in southern China for hours when a passer-by came up, shook his hand and pushed him off the ledge.

Chen fell 26 feet onto a partially inflated emergency air cushion laid out by authorities and survived, suffering spine and elbow injuries, the official Xinhua News Agency said Saturday.

The passer-by, 66-year-old Lai Jiansheng, had been fed up with what he called Chen's "selfish activity," Xinhua said. Traffic around the Haizhu bridge in the city of Guangzhou had been backed up for five hours and police had cordoned off the area.

"I pushed him off because jumpers like Chen are very selfish. Their action violates a lot of public interest," Lai was quoted as saying by Xinhua. "They do not really dare to kill themselves. Instead, they just want to raise the relevant government authorities' attention to their appeals."

Xinhua said Lai was "taken away by police" but did not elaborate.

A police officer who answered the telephone Saturday at a station close to the bridge confirmed the incident and said it was under investigation. He refused to give any other details and hung up.

According to Xinhua, Chen wanted to kill himself because he had accrued $290,000 in debt from a failed construction project.

On Thursday, he made his way to the Haizhu bridge, where 11 other people have tried to take their lives since April.

Lai volunteered to talk Chen down but was turned away by police, Xinhua said. Lai then broke through the cordon, climbed to where Chen sat, greeted him with a handshake, then pushed.
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I with the pusher on this one.

Wanna kill yourself? Do it in the privacy of your own home. Dont jump on Subway tracks and ef up the morning rush hour.
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I with the pusher on this one.

Wanna kill yourself? Do it in the privacy of your own home. Dont jump on Subway tracks and ef up the morning rush hour.
That's just sick, man.

Suicide is definitely the epitome of selfishness, but to facilitate it is just twisted.
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That's just sick, man.

Suicide is definitely the epitome of selfishness, but to facilitate it is just twisted.
Are you kidding me? You really don't understand suicide and/or depression do you?
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Are you kidding me? You really don't understand suicide and/or depression do you?
What I said was probably a little strong, because when someone's hit that level they're incapable of even thinking rationally anymore.

But the dad of a guy I played baseball with committed suicide and left three kids fatherless. A girl I went to school with jumped in front of a train and her friends went insane with guilt. Just don't call me out on it, I've seen people's lives go to shit because someone close committed suicide.

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Old 05-25-2009, 03:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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What I said was probably a little strong, because when someone's hit that level they're incapable of even thinking rationally anymore.

But the dad of a guy I played baseball with committed suicide and left three kids fatherless. A girl I went to school with jumped in front of a train and her friends went insane with guilt. Just don't call me out on it, I've seen people's lives go to shit because someone close committed suicide.
I don't deny that lives are torn to shreds in the wake of a loved one's suicide, but the act is far from selfish.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I don't deny that lives are torn to shreds in the wake of a loved one's suicide, but the act is far from selfish.
It's dependent upon the situation, however, some of the cases I have personally dealt with, I would say that about 3 of them were done for completely selfish reasons and I've dealt with well, 3 cases. So yeah, from personal experience I'd argue suicide is a completely selfish act.
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It's dependent upon the situation, however, some of the cases I have personally dealt with, I would say that about 3 of them were done for completely selfish reasons and I've dealt with well, 3 cases. So yeah, from personal experience I'd argue suicide is a completely selfish act.
You'd be hard pressed to find any therapist or psychologist who even remotely agreed with that. People who take their own lives aren't thinking rationally, so the idea of wether or not it's selfish, doesn't really apply. I've been close to one and most would think his was a selfish act. I felt/feel nothing but sympathy for him and everyone he affected. We tend to look at their lives and the decision they made with the benefit of a relatively healthy mind. Theirs is a human response to extreme pain, not a selfish one, and most victims have a mental illness at the time of their death. That said, I don't want to make a big thing out of this and it's easy to come off as an ass, but the selfish stigma is something I feel needs to go away.
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Suicide is a sin.
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It is by nature a selfish act.

As it is an act to ones self. I don't see how it can be argued otherwise.

If someone was commiting suicide, to improve someone else's life, it doesn't become less selfish, you would still be doing to for yourself. it is what you think would be best.
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Old 05-25-2009, 10:23 AM   #13 (permalink)
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It is by nature a selfish act.

As it is an act to ones self. I don't see how it can be argued otherwise.

If someone was commiting suicide, to improve someone else's life, it doesn't become less selfish, you would still be doing to for yourself. it is what you think would be best.
The 'selfish' people are talking about in regard to suicide is this meaning...

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...and all of its negative connotations and with special emphasis on 'without regard for others'. That's what people mean when they say it's selfish and that's what I'm arguing against.
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well since u dealt with 3 whole cases, you have a total grip on it... obv
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I really don't like to talk about suicide. Someone very close to me succeeded in commiting suicide when I was 10
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