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Old 01-27-2011, 01:29 PM   #41 (permalink)
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anyone here work hard because you, yourselves, wanted to do well?
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I did.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:42 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I did.
Same here, although it took me a year of partying at Western to learn my lesson (first year in rez)
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anyone here work hard because you, yourselves, wanted to do well?
In university.


High School is filled with so many other opportunities to use your time, like sports, partying, and chasing girls before your body goes to shit. It's harder to focus, even if you enjoy learning.

Side note (the rest is not specifically a response to 'trane), I think grades might matter more in Ontario than a few other provinces, since the entrance marks for university are a bit higher. You can get "B" grades in a number of other provinces and still get into a university within 100KM. And some people don't have any interest in going to university, which is fine. There are lots of great career paths (money wise and personal interest) that don't require uni. Really, at the end of the day, for most people, what you do after high school has a much greater impact on your life. If I was a parent, I'd try to encourage my kids to strike some balance. I'd be more concerned with how I saw them progressing as individuals than whether or not they are getting an "A". I would be concerned over a "D", but that's because it could close some doors.
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Old 01-27-2011, 01:52 PM   #44 (permalink)
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how is uni not filled with those same opportunities? that's most of what i spent my time doing until i was 30 or so... doesn't mean you can't work hard though.

i dunno. i know i probably sound like a grumpy old man, but i am being honest when i say that i've always felt this way about school. i was no genius. got into ubc with an 80%. but i worked hard from the start. i always used to argue with my buddies about the sheer gift that our education was. a chance to have access - all day - to experts in their field (at the uni level) and to knowledgable and by and large supportive teachers at the high school level. most people don't get that. but we do, and i wanted, deeply, to capitalize on that opportunity by doing well and proving that i could do well. i partied and spent most of my high school days not totally sober at some point in the evening, but that doesn't mean that i didn;t work hard at other times. and i definitely was not pressured by my folks. they took it way easy on me. but i really, really wanted to do well for my own sake. as a kid i used to run home with my test marks to show my folks. it just made me happy to succeed.
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how is uni not filled with those same opportunities? that's most of what i spent my time doing until i was 30 or so... doesn't mean you can't work hard though.

i dunno. i know i probably sound like a grumpy old man, but i am being honest when i say that i've always felt this way about school. i was no genius. got into ubc with an 80%. but i worked hard from the start. i always used to argue with my buddies about the sheer gift that our education was. a chance to have access - all day - to experts in their field (at the uni level) and to knowledgable and by and large supportive teachers at the high school level. most people don't get that. but we do, and i wanted, deeply, to capitalize on that opportunity by doing well and proving that i could do well. i partied and spent most of my high school days not totally sober at some point in the evening, but that doesn't mean that i didn;t work hard at other times. and i definitely was not pressured by my folks. they took it way easy on me. but i really, really wanted to do well for my own sake. as a kid i used to run home with my test marks to show my folks. it just made me happy to succeed.
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just curious because my marks are not fails but a B wont cut it in my family.
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how is uni not filled with those same opportunities? that's most of what i spent my time doing until i was 30 or so... doesn't mean you can't work hard though.
Of course those opportunities exist, at least for some people. I just realized that the consequences were much higher when I got to university. I'd encourage people to get a lot out of their system in high school. If you get "B" or "C" grades in high school, certain doors are not automatically closed. If you get "B" and "C" grades in uni, certain doors will be closed, or you'll need to go an extra mile to kick them down. I'm talking about particular areas here, but it might not apply to everyone.

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large supportive teachers at the high school level.
I suspect that people's views on that might be mixed. haha More a joke than an argument, but there's truth in it.

Re: working hard

maybe we're viewing things in a different light. I'm talking more about reaching full potential. Putting in the time and effort to do the best you can, or close to it. If your time is stretched thin, you can't do the best you can in the course or program. You might work hard while studying, but you're not studying as much as you could have been. I made way more sacrifices in university (at least after first year) once it sunk in that the consequences were greater. I still had some fun in uni, but not nearly as much as in high school. By second year, I started changing my priorities. We may simply be talking about a matter of degree here, in terms of working hard. For example, one person thinks 45 hours a week is working ard, whereas another person decides to put in 55 hours (hypothetically speaking). These two people would have different personal definitions of "working hard"

edit - I just realized things might be different for people who leave their home province for undergrad. If you're young and away from home for the first time, that can be isolating, and thus there would be a need to "get out" more. So, yeah, the temptations might be greater in uni for particular students in that situation

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i don't think working hard has much to do with how many hours you spend doing it. it's teh intensity with which you approach the work and the committment you have to doing it thoroughly. that make take one guy 50 hours and another guy 5 hours. really. and so much of it has to do with how much you absorb in class. education being as it is, and the fact that all courses are structured to teach what will be on the exam, if you attend class with the intent of learning and apply yourself to do what it takes to absorb that material on your own time, you will succeed. in my experience working hard is about that stuff.
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oh, and the phrase you quoted part of was 'by and large'. i don't care how big the teachers were...
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i don't think working hard has much to do with how many hours you spend doing it. it's teh intensity with which you approach the work and the committment you have to doing it thoroughly. that make take one guy 50 hours and another guy 5 hours. really. and so much of it has to do with how much you absorb in class. education being as it is, and the fact that all courses are structured to teach what will be on the exam, if you attend class with the intent of learning and apply yourself to do what it takes to absorb that material on your own time, you will succeed. in my experience working hard is about that stuff.
Fair enough. Good points. For some people, it is going to require much more time than others, especially with things like writing papers, or learning concepts that don't "click" while you're following them in lecture. For some people, the 45 hours (hypothetical) won't be enough to get the "A" they need. That person might need to put in 55 in order to produce the quality paper. That's my point about full potential. Some people will need more time than others, and will need to adjust their schedule accordingly.
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oh, and the phrase you quoted part of was 'by and large'. i don't care how big the teachers were...
I know what you meant, and my joke was meant for the real interpretation. Some people have "hit or miss" experiences in high school. Some teachers are awesome, just awesome, but others are such d-bags.
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Old 01-27-2011, 03:03 PM   #53 (permalink)
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anyone here work hard because you, yourselves, wanted to do well?
Hey now, I never said I didn't want to do well, perks are always welcome though, I never planned on doing poor, because school affects the outcome of your life normally.
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Old 01-27-2011, 05:26 PM   #54 (permalink)
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say they planned on getting you an xbox 360 or w.e, they find out you get a bad mark, would they still get you the xbox or put the bad mark in mind and say no?

just curious because my marks are not fails but a B wont cut it in my family. gonna get the lights out when they see my report card and i dont think ill get the stuff i wanted
For Asian parents (especially Filipino parents), yeah. I don't know how non-immigrant parents handle this kind of situation though.

I got pretty decent grades when I was in high-school cuz' I changed from U to C/M classes. My Filipino parents wouldn't know the difference anyways. Talking about material stuffs, I had a decent PT job in high-school so I usually buy stuffs from my own money.

But that's besides the point.

Regarding to your question, yes it does. Recently, my parents got a call from the school that my younger brother has been skipping school. Then my parents told my brother that he won't be getting the money he asked to buy the First Strike map pack for next week because of his anti-academic behavior. They will confiscate his 360, if he fail any class this year.

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honestly i think good grades are only half of it, well in my case it is
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