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just because I was listening to Revolver today..........



.....will we ever see their equal, or is it just a fact....greatest band in the history of humanity?????
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...that said I know your a young guy, if you havnt already go grab a "best of beatles" torrent.....
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...that said I know your a young guy, if you havnt already go grab a "best of beatles" torrent.....
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I've never been a beatles fan, before my time. The first memories of anything beatles related was when John Lenon was shot, i was 6. I like some their music but never really got into listening to them.
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just because I was listening to Revolver today..........



.....will we ever see their equal, or is it just a fact....greatest band in the history of humanity?????

The amount of great music they put out in a seven year span will never be surpassed.

Revolver and Rubber Soul are their two best albums btw.
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Old 04-17-2010, 06:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The amount of great music they put out in a seven year span will never be surpassed.

Revolver and Rubber Soul are their two best albums btw.
That's just about personal taste. For my ears they are (were) way to cheasy and Pop.
I was trying to be kinda ironic, but really for me they were the first boy-band ever. Many songs are nice, but just a few of them had a good instrumental part or something more than simple, plan, Pop chords and sounds.

And in 5 years we had an amount of great music, just different genre:
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The amount of great music they put out in a seven year span will never be surpassed.

Revolver and Rubber Soul are their two best albums btw.
hmmm... it has a bit to do with marketing, don't you think?

just as an example.... Belle & Sebastian cranked out a tonne of awesome music in a similar span of time. whether or not that music was equal to what the beatles produced is purely up to the listener's taste.

but when you look at "greatness", that is in large part a reflection of the role the mass media played in making that music.... or more to the point those musicians extremely popular.
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hmmm... it has a bit to do with marketing, don't you think?

just as an example.... Belle & Sebastian cranked out a tonne of awesome music in a similar span of time. whether or not that music was equal to what the beatles produced is purely up to the listener's taste.

but when you look at "greatness", that is in large part a reflection of the role the mass media played in making that music.... or more to the point those musicians extremely popular.
i like both b&s and the beatles without being a huge fan of either one, but to me there is no comparison. the beatles tunes, especially in that revolver, rubber soul, sgt peppers era, were deep and rich. to insinuate, like rimpianto did, that they were simply bland pop tunes is to make two mistakes - the first is just how hard it is to write great universal pop tunes, and the second is just how complex many of the beatles tunes of that era were. whether it be standout vocal performances and complex vocal harmonies or rich instrument parts with dynamic melodic structure and intertwined lines from widely different instruments, these were far from simple pop tunes. there are a great many beatles tunes that consist of 4 or 5 separate parts that could each have been a tune in their own right. two of the things that made lennon and mccartney so incredible are caught up in this - first, their sheer prolific creative talent to come up with so many ideas in such a short time, and second their ability to combine so many disparate ideas into coherent and compelling songs. and the beauty of it is that they made it sound simple. there was no grandiose showing off here. that takes immense talent.

yes, indeed marketing plays a role, but to me the sheer volume, complexity of arrangement, and dynamic content of interplaying parts makes the beatles music stand out from other pop pretenders.
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I was not talking in absolute terms, i'm not so old to remember them, but i was born before John Lennon died, and my father was a fan playing theyr records often.
I know is not easy to compose some good pop music.
I may say that i'm used to listen Britney Spears and similar music (god forgive me to call it music) only because they are masterpieces of musical engineering, absolute value from that point of view.

But back to the 60s, Beatles are not even close to The Who, imho.
The fabfour were just much, much easy to be listened, for everybody. That's the greatness of pop music and the main reason of his diffusion.
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I'd say that the white album is better than Rubber soul. I know George Martin said they should have cut the number of songs in half, having kept the real standouts and made one really strong disc, but i think he's wrong. There is not one bad moment on either disc. I'll agree with Revolver of course. That probably should be considered their best album given the creativity and innovation it involves.

The only album i would say isn't all that hot is Beatles for Sale.
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bealtes have better songs than the stones, but i'd rather filter out the large amount of pop-crap and just listen to the stones.
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But back to the 60s, Beatles are not even close to The Who, imho.
The fabfour were just much, much easy to be listened, for everybody. That's the greatness of pop music and the main reason of his diffusion.
I'm a huge fan of the who, and all i will say is that personally the Who just didn't have the lasting brilliance that the beatles had. The who were at their best for a 2-3 album span. Once happy Jack hit and Pete Townshend started wearing bell bottoms, they just lost their goodness (IMHO). I'll always agree that the who were a great R&B band. One of the best true Mod bands back in their day. I'm talking back '65 and before - including their work as the high numbers. That shit was good.... but once creativity came into the picture, they stopped doing what they were good at.

The beatles on the other hand pretty much steer headed that movement into making pop music creative and artistic. So from '65 and after, they were the bee's knees and every other musician knew it. you really can't argue how they were the first ones to do a lot of stuff and were the best at it too.

Anyways, this coming from a fan of both bands (and loads of other bands from the 60s) as well. 60s (and early 70s) r&b, psyche, garage rock, freakbeat, soul and and funk....that's been my bag for years.

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bealtes have better songs than the stones, but i'd rather filter out the large amount of pop-crap and just listen to the stones.
in my dJing / mod nightclubbing days my friend and i used to have these long band debates for hours. It always came back to bealtes/stones. oh the memories.
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I'm a huge fan of the who, and all i will say is that personally the Who just didn't have the lasting brilliance that the beatles had. The who were at their best for a 2-3 album span. Once happy Jack hit and Pete Townshend started wearing bell bottoms, they just lost their goodness (IMHO). I'll always agree that the who were a great R&B band. One of the best true Mod bands back in their day. I'm talking back '65 and before - including their work as the high numbers. That shit was good.... but once creativity came into the picture, they stopped doing what they were good at.

The beatles on the other hand pretty much steer headed that movement into making pop music creative and artistic. So from '65 and after, they were the bee's knees and every other musician knew it. you really can't argue how they were the first ones to do a lot of stuff and were the best at it too.

Anyways, this coming from a fan of both bands (and loads of other bands from the 60s) as well. 60s (and early 70s) r&b, psyche, garage rock, freakbeat, soul and and funk....that's been my bag for years.
I strongly disgaree. The Who were good at shaking the walls with pure primal, balls to the wall rock 'n' roll and there is no finer moment that captures that than the Live at Leeds album. Also, Who's Next? is about as perfect an album from start to finish that a band can record.
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I strongly disgaree. The Who were good at shaking the walls with pure primal, balls to the wall rock 'n' roll and there is no finer moment that captures that than the Live at Leeds album. Also, Who's Next? is a about as perfect an album from start to finish that a band can record.
to each his own.

No denying that they were a kick ass live band (i love live at leeds as well), but personally i just can't 'get into' their 70s stuff as much. Well maybe 'get into' is a poor choice of terms. i think who's next is good and can appreciate the album as a whole, but I think my generation was amazing and i can feel it way more when i listen to it. Not even just my generation... stuff before too - I have the maximum r & b box which has some amazing early songs.

Plus they were just cooler when they were mods.
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If the Beatles came out today... with the same music... how do you think they'd fare?
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hmmm... it has a bit to do with marketing, don't you think?

just as an example.... Belle & Sebastian cranked out a tonne of awesome music in a similar span of time. whether or not that music was equal to what the beatles produced is purely up to the listener's taste.

but when you look at "greatness", that is in large part a reflection of the role the mass media played in making that music.... or more to the point those musicians extremely popular.
I don't give a shit about marketing or the media, The Beatles music speaks for itself. Of course music like any art is subjective, but to mention Belle and Sebastian are not even in the same class as The Beatles. They also put out on average one album every two years. The Beatles were putting out almost two a year.
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to each his own.

No denying that they were a kick ass live band (i love live at leeds as well), but personally i just can't 'get into' their 70s stuff as much. Well maybe 'get into' is a poor choice of terms. i think who's next is good and can appreciate the album as a whole, but I think my generation was amazing and i can feel it way more when i listen to it. Not even just my generation... stuff before too - I have the maximum r & b box which has some amazing early songs.

Plus they were just cooler when they were mods.
I love their earlier stuff as well, but the whole Mod thing was a marketing ploy, so I don't know how cool they really were.

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