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Old 08-12-2014, 07:19 PM   #1401 (permalink)
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It's been 6.5 months since I started going to the gym 5-7 days a week.

Went from 265 - 230 in the first 3 months. Now down to 215.

Trying to come up with creative ways to keep shedding BF%...

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1 - Nice work.

2 - If you've lost 50lbs, then at this point you probably don't need people saying "cardio"..."count calories"... you get that much. It's probably not new or creative at this point.

3 - what is your gym routine? It's easier to offer you suggestions if we know what you've already tried.

Having a lower BF% is not just about losing weight, because you can lose muscle if you "diet" and don't lift. So I assume you lift. But what combination of training are you doing?
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Guys, just to state the obvious, and repeat what was said earlier in the thread, cardio is NOT automatically necessary to lean down. The caloric deficit is what is needed, and you can achieve that a number of ways. Doing more cardio is just one way.
Yeah but cardio will keep you fit (by that I don't mean "looking' but rather being fit"). What's the point of losing weight if you're not also going to get fitter?
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Yeah but cardio will keep you fit (by that I don't mean "looking' but rather being fit"). What's the point of losing weight if you're not also going to get fitter?
Uh, you can get fit off nothing but weights and bodyweight exercises. If you're doing it right, and working out at a good intensity, you should be sweating and raising your heart rate.

Having said that, I think you were misunderstanding my response. And I was not trying to suggest eliminating cardio entirely. But he asked how to lose body fat, and Dario responded with a generic "cardio, cardio, cardio" which seems to imply that it has to be a big part of the losing weight. It does not have to be that way. For example, 5 days a week of lifting + 1 day of HIIT (high intensity interval training) can lead someone to be more fit than 3 days of lifting + 3 days of steady pace cardio. It really depends on the goals and what you consider "fit".
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Uh, you can get fit off nothing but weights and bodyweight exercises. If you're doing it right, and working out at a good intensity, you should be sweating and raising your heart rate.

Having said that, I think you were misunderstanding my response. And I was not trying to suggest eliminating cardio entirely. But he asked how to lose body fat, and Dario responded with a generic "cardio, cardio, cardio" which seems to imply that it has to be a big part of the losing weight. It does not have to be that way. For example, 5 days a week of lifting + 1 day of HIIT (high intensity interval training) can lead someone to be more fit than 3 days of lifting + 3 days of steady pace cardio. It really depends on the goals and what you consider "fit".
Yeah I agree with your second paragraph. But I wasn't misunderstanding.

I disagree that you can get fit off just body weight exercises and lifting weights while losing weight (hence caloric defecit). An athletic human trains different types of movement, burst power, agility, acceleration, and stamina. None of those you can get from strictly lifting weights/body weight lifting exercises at a caloric defecit.
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Yeah I agree with your second paragraph. But I wasn't misunderstanding.

I disagree that you can get fit off just body weight exercises and lifting weights while losing weight (hence caloric defecit). An athletic human trains different types of movement, burst power, agility, acceleration, and stamina. None of those you can get from strictly lifting weights/body weight lifting exercises at a caloric defecit.
Well, you're wrong to say "none". Box jumps require a person to work on their explosiveness, as well as speed pulls in deadlifts and cleans, etc... just to name a couple of exercises that can be done through a strict weights and bodyweight exercise routine. That's why it depends on the person's goals. And you can easily adjust your volume, rest between sets and rep ranges in your routine to accomodate for building stamina. You have to really want to argue, or be ignorant of the variety in routines, to deny that you can be extremely fit off weight training and bodyweight exercises alone. Although, like I was saying, throwing some HIIT in there at least 1 day a week would be even better. Lots of different types of HIIT you can do.

As for your point about "agility", that's a criticism that could be levied against 95% of the cardio people do in the gym. So, when others simply suggest "do more cardio", there is a slim chance they are suggesting to do anything involving agility training. Seriously. You're being kinda silly on that point.
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Yeah I agree with your second paragraph. But I wasn't misunderstanding.

I disagree that you can get fit off just body weight exercises and lifting weights while losing weight (hence caloric defecit). An athletic human trains different types of movement, burst power, agility, acceleration, and stamina. None of those you can get from strictly lifting weights/body weight lifting exercises at a caloric defecit.
Disagree, sprinters spend most of the time lifting weights so you can certainly become more explosive, which is the same as burst of power or acceleration.

You can also develop muscle stamina, mma figters/boxers do it all the time. Do a lot of sets x reps with slightly lighter weight and you will develop muscle stamina.

However stamina needed to run long distances would be hard to develop
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I honestly was just saying what worked for me, I was originally 230, im at 185-190 right now, its flucuating because of the muscle im putting on. Bill knows what hes talking about. im 5'10 at the moment, stocky portuguese guy. it amazes me how Kyle lowry is 6'0 legit, and 205 with the quickness he has.

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Yeah I agree with your second paragraph. But I wasn't misunderstanding.

I disagree that you can get fit off just body weight exercises and lifting weights while losing weight (hence caloric defecit). An athletic human trains different types of movement, burst power, agility, acceleration, and stamina. None of those you can get from strictly lifting weights/body weight lifting exercises at a caloric defecit.
Ughhh yes you can.
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Old 08-14-2014, 07:53 PM   #1411 (permalink)
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Anyway, sorry if I was being a dick about cardio. I wasn't trying to totally shit all over that type of exercise. It's valuable in that early stage where a number of us seem to have been; that is, needing to lose that first 30+lbs. And running long distances can be enjoyable for some people. To each their own.

But Gizzle said he specifically wants to lose BF%. There are a number of ways to accomplish that goal, beyond diet and loads cardio. That's all. Heck, he could even do that by gaining weight (if puts on lean muscle).
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cardio+lifting while on a low carb net defecit calorie defecit is the fastest way to shedding body fat. Easier said than done, but if you can, you'll be lean and cut in no time.
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1 - Nice work.

2 - If you've lost 50lbs, then at this point you probably don't need people saying "cardio"..."count calories"... you get that much. It's probably not new or creative at this point.

3 - what is your gym routine? It's easier to offer you suggestions if we know what you've already tried.

Having a lower BF% is not just about losing weight, because you can lose muscle if you "diet" and don't lift. So I assume you lift. But what combination of training are you doing?
I typically go 6-7 days a week. Focusing almost exclusively on lifting. Most days I'm on a deficit as on average I'm taking in between 1800-2300 calories.

Chest, Back and Legs twice a week each. I always throw in arms, shoulders and forearms randomly to mix it up.

I play basketball all the time as a warm up too. 15 minutes or so. Play 2-3 hours on off days.

I've started to add 10-15 minutes of HIIT 3 times a week as well.

And on top of all of that...today I can finally say, after so many years of trying, IM OFFICIALLY A DUNKER!!!

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Trying to dirty bulk at the moment and it's been 2 months since I've started. Has anyone tried this?

Starting stats: 5'11" 162

Current stat: 172.6

I want to hit 200 before I cut down to 175-185.

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Trying to dirty bulk at the moment and it's been 2 months since I've started. Has anyone tried this?

Starting stats: 5'11" 162

Current stat: 172.6

I want to hit 200 before I cut down to 175-185.
I did it before and got big, but than I lost bunch of weight, because I didn't work out for a long time. There are lot of bad things that people say about it, but it works.
I started dirty bulking last week too (when I bought my bench), but I'm not always getting enough calories, it can be really hard when working full time.
I have bit of fat on my stomach (I blame beer) not much of a belly, but no longer ripped six pack. I'm not really worried though I'll loose it once I start cutting
right now I'm 5'8'' 166

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I also have to dirty bulk sometimes because it's hard when you have work/school etc. If you're prone to gaining weight it may not be such a good idea. If you're a hard gainer (like me) it doesn't really matter imo.
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Nothing to motivate you to get back in shape like trying on your Sui that you bought when you already considered yourself out of shape and having it not fit...

No more excuses. 6 am mornings here I come.
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I did it before and got big, but than I lost bunch of weight, because I didn't work out for a long time. There are lot of bad things that people say about it, but it works.
I started dirty bulking last week too (when I bought my bench), but I'm not always getting enough calories, it can be really hard when working full time.
I have bit of fat on my stomach (I blame beer) not much of a belly, but no longer ripped six pack. I'm not really worried though I'll loose it once I start cutting
right now I'm 5'8'' 166
I'm at 177 now. Slowly climbing the ladder. Gaining a bit of fat on the mid section but I've gotten stronger in all of my lifts. Pushing for 185 by the end October.

Was watching the Mr. O during the weekend and saw Shawn Rhoden. This guy has perfect aesthetics and symmetry.


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