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Old 09-14-2012, 02:12 PM   #861 (permalink)
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Would it be better to bulk hard and cut afterwards or slowly bulk?
Bulk hard. Bulking slowly you still gain fat and ull need to cut anyways
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Old 09-14-2012, 03:20 PM   #862 (permalink)
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no offense, but your fitness teacher is a moron.
if thats true and the lowest weight was 45 lbs for each hand - that guy is a moron.
the first lesson in weight training is not about how heavy you can go, its about form. if the first class is testing your maximums, that is really dumb.
weight lifting is about progression and self confidence... both grow by leaps in bounds over time. having everyone testing their strength in front of the class doesnt do anything for anyone. in fact, it will be negative for the guys who have troubles.
think he means 2 hands for a barbell at 45 lol
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think he means 2 hands for a barbell at 45 lol
that doesnt take away from the point of my post. why test maximums on the first day?
it will only discourage the 'weaker' students, and doesnt teach the main goal of fitness - which is to improve oneself.... not to see 'how much you can bench'.
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with testing maximums on the first go. In a great many programs you do that in order to properly calculate where you should start with each exercise. Most workouts designed to use sets that incorporate different weights in order to reach positive AND negative exhaustion run off an initial percentage of max.

Insider, I think the poster didn't properly explain to you what his instructor was actually doing. I can guarantee this is what it was.
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with testing maximums on the first go. In a great many programs you do that in order to properly calculate where you should start with each exercise. Most workouts designed to use sets that incorporate different weights in order to reach positive AND negative exhaustion run off an initial percentage of max.

Insider, I think the poster didn't properly explain to you what his instructor was actually doing. I can guarantee this is what it was.
yee I had to do the same thing back in highschool
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yes, lets gather all of the class in a circle and see who can push the most weight.
this is a horrible way to start a highschool fitness class for newbies because of a) potential injury, b) potential discouragement.
for someone working out for the first time - which i'm assuming this class is for, self confidence is key. 90% of people who quit do so because they feel inadequate or weak... and feel insecure at the gym.
doing this in front of everyone does nothing good for the class.

you dont test maximums on your first go, you test comfort.
you never see how much your maximum is on the first go... you see how much weight you feel comfortable lifting - and you go from there.
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If that is indeed what they are doing, man, its a very hard workout once you start it up. You have to be so disciplined and so educated on technique and nutrition/ rest before you do it. Positive and negative exhaustion is a real killer man. It works like a Motherbitch if you can do it though.
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yes, lets gather all of the class in a circle and see who can push the most weight.
this is a horrible way to start a highschool fitness class for newbies because of a) potential injury, b) potential discouragement.
for someone working out for the first time - which i'm assuming this class is for, self confidence is key. 90% of people who quit do so because they feel inadequate or weak... and feel insecure at the gym.
doing this in front of everyone does nothing good for the class.

you dont test maximums on your first go, you test comfort.
you never see how much your maximum is on the first go... you see how much weight you feel comfortable lifting - and you go from there.
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Wasn't the first class but he didn't really teach how to find the ideal weight on the barbell. Guess he expects everyone to regularly lift, I am the only one there that doesnt. He records your maximums so you can compare after doing it several more times over the semester.

for benchpress, i started from 65 and went up to a max of 95 lbs. I weigh around 125, is that starting weight average?
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thats confusing to you?
how about when i train my 80 year old client for the first time.
i'll ask her to show me how heavy she can go. i'll throw a 50 pound dumbell at her and tell her to left it, just to see what her maximum is. yeah, that sounds like the right way to start.
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whatever man, im not sure hwy youre so angry
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i'm not angry at all man... i just don't believe that that is the correct way to begin a training routine at all.
like i said before, fitness shouldnt be about how heavy you can go... its about how properly you can lift the weight, and how you can improve yourself.
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There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with testing maximums on the first go. In a great many programs you do that in order to properly calculate where you should start with each exercise. Most workouts designed to use sets that incorporate different weights in order to reach positive AND negative exhaustion run off an initial percentage of max.
What you're saying here is true, from a technical perspective. I think the disagreements stems from the fact that you're looking at this simply from a technical "what's an effective workout" point of view, whereas Insider, at least at the beginning, was considering the psychology of the people JUST getting started. He addressed it as if this was their first ever workout.

Both your points are valid, it just depends who you're talking about. Is it the volleyball coach setting up a workout regiment for his players? They probably already have decent confidence in their bodies, and there are legit reasons for needing to know their max lifts, since that's a sport where you def don't want to overly develop particular muscle groups.

Or are you just talking about a random mandatory gym class? With skinny beginners, especially teenagers who might have low confidence, part of the battle really is keeping them in the gym and getting them to view weight training as a fun experience, which it can be. It's an obvious point that I can't even believe would be debated, since it's seen time and time again by personal trainers, or just even friends trying to help their buddies get into shape. So many people give up before getting the high of making gains.
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i'm not angry at all man... i just don't believe that that is the correct way to begin a training routine at all.
like i said before, fitness shouldnt be about how heavy you can go... its about how properly you can lift the weight, and how you can improve yourself.
I think you're looking at this more from a personal trainer, body building perspective. And that's fine, but it's only one perspective. To train for certain sports, where the lifting is a means to another end, there are legit reasons for wanting to know your max, even if you're not going to do that weight.
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Thanks for typing that because I was way to lazy to bother.

I assumed the class was a class the guy signed up for at Goodlife or something. Trust me, I'm the last person ya gotta explain the pitfalls of musclehead mentality to.

Chalk it up to laziness on my end. My Bad.

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i'm not angry at all man... i just don't believe that that is the correct way to begin a training routine at all.
like i said before, fitness shouldnt be about how heavy you can go... its about how properly you can lift the weight, and how you can improve yourself.
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You go to campus rec? Lets work out together bro, sent u a PM
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Thanks for typing that because I was way to lazy to bother.

I assumed the class was a class the guy signed up for at Goodlife or something. Trust me, I'm the last person ya gotta explain the pitfalls of musclehead mentality to.

Chalk it up to laziness on my end. My Bad.

Based on what the kid said in his updated post, it might well be that it was a class he signed up for (although maybe not at goodlife).

The point is, both of your perspectives make sense, it just depends if it's a total newb or someone more experienced with a very specific goal in mind.
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Old 09-14-2012, 06:03 PM   #880 (permalink)
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You go to campus rec? Lets work out together bro, sent u a PM
Word messaged you back. I slipped so hard not working out my first year when I was London Hall.

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Bulk hard. Bulking slowly you still gain fat and ull need to cut anyways
Alright cool, on a 6 meal diet right now and been drinking 2 protein shakes a day, we'll see what happens lol

Thing is I got a bit fatter over the summer eating unbelievably unhealthy while on vacation. Still 5'11, 140lbs. Used to be 5'11, 130lbs. Pretty sure most of it was fat but gonna keep on bulking anyways. When I cut in a couple months, hope to lose some of that fat. My BF% is around 13% which is pretty high for someone at my size I'm guessing. Gonna bike 3 times/week to work on my cardio, should help with my smoke ridden lungs too lol.

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It's apart of the Spartacus Challenge workouts, not following the workouts but the diet seems clutch.

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