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Old 09-11-2008, 07:24 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I didn't forget. For me it's pretty hard to forget. See another thread located not far from this one.

Anyway I went downtown and saw a film called the Visitor, which does a nice job of showing how life in America changed for the worse post 9-11, and I strongly feel that if they continue to forsake their values and principles in the name of security, then the whole country is going to just weaken on it's own far more than any terrorist action could hope to accomplish. It's sad. And I agree with Snooch that those values and principles were forsaken well before 9-11, and almost always in the name of national security, but usually just as a means to power. It's something that didn't work out for the British, the Soviets, and it's not looking like it's workable much longer for the US.

On a personal level, my brother got caught with a joint when he was just 18. Even though he had this record hanging over him, he never had any trouble traveling. Until he tried crossing the border a couple of years ago. With the billions of dollars going into homeland security, they have managed to make sure that life becomes more difficult for a whole bunch of people for no good reason. My brother is able to pay for a pardon which only lasts for a year, and if he's lucky the paperwork will be processed in time for him to follow through on travel plans. So far his last application took eight months just to get looked at, and they didn't think it was going to be finished any time soon. It's becoming one big, gated community all too quickly now.
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Old 09-11-2008, 09:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I didn't forget. For me it's pretty hard to forget. See another thread located not far from this one.

Anyway I went downtown and saw a film called the Visitor, which does a nice job of showing how life in America changed for the worse post 9-11, and I strongly feel that if they continue to forsake their values and principles in the name of security, then the whole country is going to just weaken on it's own far more than any terrorist action could hope to accomplish. It's sad. And I agree with Snooch that those values and principles were forsaken well before 9-11, and almost always in the name of national security, but usually just as a means to power. It's something that didn't work out for the British, the Soviets, and it's not looking like it's workable much longer for the US.

On a personal level, my brother got caught with a joint when he was just 18. Even though he had this record hanging over him, he never had any trouble traveling. Until he tried crossing the border a couple of years ago. With the billions of dollars going into homeland security, they have managed to make sure that life becomes more difficult for a whole bunch of people for no good reason. My brother is able to pay for a pardon which only lasts for a year, and if he's lucky the paperwork will be processed in time for him to follow through on travel plans. So far his last application took eight months just to get looked at, and they didn't think it was going to be finished any time soon. It's becoming one big, gated community all too quickly now.
Its to bad, after all america is one of the best countries in the worls but it is slowly rounding itself into a large bubble of fear......
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Old 09-11-2008, 09:14 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Much of this isn't entirely new, I mean see 1950s US culture. The beauty of the 60s and 70s was alot of this "gated community" outlook ended or was severely damaged. 9/11 really brought alot of these former ideas back to the forefront. I had the displeasure two years ago of immersing myself in the history of the 1950 and really understanding what people were thinking and seeing how the US operates domestically today its pretty astounding how similar the thinking is.

However internationally speaking the US to a degree hasn't been as "gated". I don't know what they've been....proactive? agressive? regressive?

Still, I wouldn't neccessarily say it's a society of fear, moreso a paternal/maternal society where many residents have turned into children unsure of their own status in the world. It's kind of sad and scary because of a lot of voices have ended up being quieted this way.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:02 AM   #24 (permalink)
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i remembered but i think we are starting to turn that page on the episode. I mean it was absolutely horrible what happend...but u need to move forward and make progress to help resolve the issues behind such acts.

What those are, we are still learning...a whole other debate.

But, i remember waking up...walking upstairs ready to go to class at uni (McMaster) and my mom saying there was an attack in NY. needless to say my eyes were glued to the tv for waht seemed like 5 straight days.

god bless those who died.
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Old 09-12-2008, 12:06 AM   #25 (permalink)
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On 9-11, I was in Cambodia and coincidentally had an interview for a job at the US embassy. That night I went home and saw the disaster unfolding on TV.

Needless to say, I never got a second interview as the embassy shut itself out to all outsiders.
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