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VanCity 02-05-2012 05:24 AM

American Education System
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=M2fHQ9eULzk

This is sad more than anything. I understand its a small sample size but it speaks volumes about how broken the American education system is. how can they not know the most basic information about the country they live in.

Do watch the full video, there is some Canadian content in there. also pay attention around 2:54, i found that particularly entertaining.

Fixxxer 02-05-2012 09:01 AM

I love how most of them think it's hilarious to be so ignorant

Windex 02-05-2012 10:17 AM

Its one thing to not know about things outside your country. but not knowing about your own country... thats a problem.

jeffb 02-05-2012 11:35 AM

This is somehow surprising?

Their dropout rate is nearly 50%

Windex 02-05-2012 11:48 AM

the U.S. has the best best private schools and post secondary institutions but have some of the worst public school systems in the developed world.
schools controlled by bureaucrats are the problem in the US of A

jeffb 02-05-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 609766)
the U.S. has the best best private schools and post secondary institutions but have some of the worst public school systems in the developed world.
schools controlled by bureaucrats are the problem in the US of A

Their biggest problem can be summed up in one word.....


TENURE

pzabby 02-05-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 609767)
Their biggest problem can be summed up in one word.....


TENURE

:roflmao:

Bill Haverchuck 02-05-2012 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex (Post 609766)
the U.S. has the best best private schools and post secondary institutions but have some of the worst public school systems in the developed world.
schools controlled by bureaucrats are the problem in the US of A

Poverty is a bigger issue than the bureaucrats.

On a similar note, you mentioned them having the best "post secondary insitutions". That's true. They also have some of the worst. The post secondary system mirrors the lower level problems in the sense that the privileged continue to get access to a much better education.

It's a country of the "best" and the "worst". Technically, it has some of the best medical care you could get, but it also has some of the worst medical care if you're poor or uninsured.

Same for university. Their best is awesome. Their worst is fucking terrible.

Canada has more balance.

'trane 02-05-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 609767)
Their biggest problem can be summed up in one word.....


TENURE

absolute and total nonsense. if you think tenure is a problem, then you have no clue about the history of academic work and research.

LX 02-05-2012 05:29 PM

Bureaucrats Mae an easy target when the money isn't there. There's no investment in education, infrastructure, research and development, and a bunch of tax breaks that go to corporations investing elsewhere. Bad mix.

Bill Haverchuck 02-05-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 610089)
absolute and total nonsense. if you think tenure is a problem, then you have no clue about the history of academic work and research.

I could be wrong, but I think Jeff meant something else. He's just using the wrong word to express his point.

I think Jeff was trying to make a point about teachers' unions in the American public school systems. In some states, it's really hard to fire a teacher, even a bad one. The thing is, people blow this point out of proportion. For every bad teacher who deserves to be fired, there are many more who are grossly underpaid and underappreciated.

jeffb 02-05-2012 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 610089)
absolute and total nonsense. if you think tenure is a problem, then you have no clue about the history of academic work and research.

I'm saying that teachers in the USA, once they have tenure are next to impossible to get rid of no matter how poor their performance may be. Many are evaluated and get low performance grades but because they have tenure it's next to impossible to let them go. Which in turn keeps a lot of bad teachers employed. Not only that it takes very little to get get tenure. It's a major problem.

Bill Haverchuck 02-05-2012 05:44 PM

Okay, I checked out the video. My point about poverty clearly does not apply to that school.

Honestly, if you'd gone to my high school and asked a bunch of political questions about Canada, I suspect most would have got it wrong. Nobody gave a fuck about that. I thought all these questions in the video were going to be shit related to the main subjects.

Bill Haverchuck 02-05-2012 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 610098)
I'm saying that teachers in the USA, once they have tenure are next to impossible to get rid of no matter how poor their performance may be. Many are evaluated and get low performance grades but because they have tenure it's next to impossible to let them go. Which in turn keeps a lot of bad teachers employed. Not only that it takes very little to get get tenure. It's a major problem.

The word "tenure" is usually used in the context of universities. That's why there is confusion.

'trane 02-05-2012 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 610098)
I'm saying that teachers in the USA, once they have tenure are next to impossible to get rid of no matter how poor their performance may be. Many are evaluated and get low performance grades but because they have tenure it's next to impossible to let them go. Which in turn keeps a lot of bad teachers employed. Not only that it takes very little to get get tenure. It's a major problem.

tenure was and is the lynchpin of academic freedom in almost any educational institution.

either bill h is right and you are just using the wrong word, or you are using the right word and have no sense of it's broader implications beyond 'tough to fire'. either way, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

jeffb 02-05-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 610103)
tenure was and is the lynchpin of academic freedom in almost any educational institution.

either bill h is right and you are just using the wrong word, or you are using the right word and have no sense of it's broader implications beyond 'tough to fire'. either way, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.


Please, bad teachers getting lifetime tenure is a big problem in the US that's been reported on for years. Buy a clue

'trane 02-05-2012 06:00 PM

i don't need to buy a clue. i bothered to do the research myself. did you, or did you just watch tv to get your opinion?

jeffb 02-05-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'trane (Post 610105)
i don't need to buy a clue. i bothered to do the research myself. did you, or did you just watch tv to get your opinion?

So have i, and it's a problem that teachers get lifetime tenure far too quickly in their career and there are a lot of poor teachers on that list, which diminishes the probabilty of having the best teachers employed. Now you can argue on the severity of the problem and it varies from state to state, but it is certainly a problem.

Ligeia 02-05-2012 06:23 PM

If we're talking secondary education, tenure absolutely is not the problem! To begin with, the problems in the US are stemming from the public K-12 education, not from the universities.

'trane 02-05-2012 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 610112)
So have i, and it's a problem that teachers get lifetime tenure far too quickly in their career and there are a lot of poor teachers on that list, which diminishes the probabilty of having the best teachers employed. Now you can argue on the severity of the problem and it varies from state to state, but it is certainly a problem.

how quickly do they get it? and what qualifies as too quick? do you actually know the answers to these questions?

do you think there are any divisive issues in the states? and do you think the institutions and local governments should decide what the teachers teach, especially in regards to controversial issues?

tenure is most certainly not the problem. the standards at which it is achieved could be an issue, depending on how you stand in terms of labour rights, but the concept of it, and the importance of it, are clearly vitally important.


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