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Bill Haverchuck 11-24-2009 05:11 AM

Which young center in the East will become an All-Star first?
 
On the front page of NBA.com there is a poll asking said question. The options are:

-Joakim Noah
-Brook Lopez
-Al Horford
-Andrea Bargnani

Al Horford is in first place by a considerable margin, and deservedly so. If his team's success continues, and his personal stats stay similar to where they are currently at, Horford will probably get voted in by the coaches this year.
What surprised me, though, is that Bargs is number 2 in voting. I didn't expect him to get that type of recognition. He has a respectable lead over Noah and Lopez. Do you think this is because of international voters? Or do you think Bargs is getting substantial respect from American voters as well? Also, if you were ordering these centers in terms of value, in your opinion, what should be the order?

DVS 11-24-2009 07:46 AM

I'll just say Brooks Lopez because well I just love his game. He plays the position in such an old school manner. Stays down low gives you easy buckets and rebounds well. I know all the others problably have more talent than him but Lopez is a guy that makes your team better just by the stat line.

Bargs is number two just cause of his numbers. The guy has many flaws but he is still dripping with talent and can flat out score.

Apollo 11-24-2009 08:39 AM

I would pick Lopez at this point. Beyond him I think Andrea may have an edge of Horford and Noah because of his offensive production and typically defensive players don't get enough credit in the NBA.

Windex 11-24-2009 08:56 AM

without looking at stats I would go in this order

Lopez
Horford
Noah
Bargs

INSIDER 11-24-2009 11:29 AM

Horford is absolutely killing it in Atlanta this season... unfortunately (or furtunately rather), he plays alongside JJ, Josh Smith, Bibby, etc, and a stacked ATL team - so he isnt as recognizable as other centers in the east.

On the flip side, when you think of New Jersey, you automatically think of Devin Harris and Brook Lopez. he is more recognizable and is one of the stars on NJ. not a role player like Horford is in ATL. and that makes a HUGE difference when it comes down to allstar fan votes as well as some coaches and media votes.

that being said, I think Lopez will be the next young big man to become an allstar.

Acie 11-24-2009 11:57 AM

Um...Horford.

He's really good.

I do like Lopez a lot though. Dude's a bruiser.

jumplvlan23 11-24-2009 12:05 PM

Um, how about none of these guys.
As long as all these guys are in the same conference as Dwight, they will never see an all-star game in their life.

Bill Haverchuck 11-24-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumplvlan23 (Post 276159)
Um, how about none of these guys.
As long as all these guys are in the same conference as Dwight, they will never see an all-star game in their life.

Uh, the coaches vote in reserves. Maybe I didn't make the question explicit enough. This is not just about starters. Of course Dwight will probably get voted in as the starter for years to come, but these other guys can make the team as a reserve. If he continues to average "a double double", Al Horford has a solid shot of being the reserve this year.

jumplvlan23 11-24-2009 12:24 PM

Do they have reserve centers?
I always assumed reserves weren't chosen based on position. And if I'm right, then the likes of Horford and Bargnani would be going up against must tougher competition for the reserve spot.

Bill Haverchuck 11-24-2009 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumplvlan23 (Post 276179)
Do they have reserve centers?
I always assumed reserves weren't chosen based on position. And if I'm right, then the likes of Horford and Bargnani would be going up against must tougher competition for the reserve spot.

Technically, they are supposed to have a reserve center. That's the only reason Jamal Magloire ever made the game. Some might say that's the only reason Zadrunas made the game (although his numbers were respectable). But, yeah, in certain years, when there were a bunch of power forwards putting up better numbers than all the centers, I can imagine they voted in a PF and called him a center. I don't think they'd be able to get away with that this year, though, because Horford and Noah are averaging double doubles.

Acie 11-24-2009 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmChairGM (Post 276216)
Technically, they are supposed to have a reserve center. That's the only reason Jamal Magloire ever made the game. Some might say that's the only reason Zadrunas made the game (although his numbers were respectable). But, yeah, in certain years, when there were a bunch of power forwards putting up better numbers than all the centers, I can imagine they voted in a PF and called him a center. I don't think they'd be able to get away with that this year, though, because Horford and Noah are averaging double doubles.

That's how AD got in as well.

finstock 11-24-2009 02:06 PM

Horford...Lopez...Noah...Bargs..IMO

The MVP of West Hollywood 11-24-2009 03:27 PM

For Horford to get in it'll take the Hawks staying in 1st in the East and thus getting 3 all-stars. Otherwise he's easily behind Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.

Lopez might when the Nets become good. Which could be soon if a big FA gets there

Bargnani would if the Raptors were a 50 win team that got two all-stars. Otherwise no

Noah will require either the Bulls being a 50 win team with him and Rose leading the way, or them getting a big FA next year and Noah getting in as the 3rd all-star. Don't think either is likely

I would go with Lopez of the 4

Bogut deserves a mention here btw... he's better than Noah and Horford and if he's not out too long could be the 2nd best player on a 45 win type team. That would give him an outside shot as the backup

acopur 11-24-2009 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windex (Post 276023)
without looking at stats I would go in this order

Lopez
Horford
Noah
Bargs

%100 agree..Brook Lopez is the type of player you want to see in your team especially the team was raptors..

Bill Haverchuck 11-24-2009 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The MVP of West Hollywood (Post 276317)
For Horford to get in it'll take the Hawks staying in 1st in the East and thus getting 3 all-stars. Otherwise he's easily behind Joe Johnson and Josh Smith.

Lopez might when the Nets become good. Which could be soon if a big FA gets there

Bargnani would if the Raptors were a 50 win team that got two all-stars. Otherwise no

Noah will require either the Bulls being a 50 win team with him and Rose leading the way, or them getting a big FA next year and Noah getting in as the 3rd all-star. Don't think either is likely

I would go with Lopez of the 4

Bogut deserves a mention here btw... he's better than Noah and Horford and if he's not out too long could be the 2nd best player on a 45 win type team. That would give him an outside shot as the backup

Interesting points. I think Atlanta can get 3 All-Stars, even if they are only a top 3 seed. Last year, originally, Orlando was given 3 All-Star spots before Jameer got hurt. I could be wrong, but I don't think Orlando was in first place at the time.

Yes, Bogut is a solid young center, too. When healthy, he can average a double double, and he's an underated passer, in my opinion. Maybe if he gets back in time and helps Milwaukee win, he'll get some consideration. For the record, I just took this list from NBA.com because I was surprised by the voting results. They did not include Bogut on their list. Dude has game. He just needs to stop getting injured all the time.

Gurk 11-24-2009 04:01 PM

Homer answer: Bargs FTW :dancing:

LX 11-24-2009 04:19 PM

These polls have been hacked to favor Raptors before. It could be another case of that. But beating out Noah and Lopez isn't that hard to conceive of.

jepot 11-24-2009 04:35 PM

Andray Blatche

Dark Knight 11-24-2009 07:53 PM

Oooo, good question.

IMO, I think it's between Horford and Lopez. Noah and yes, even Bargs are too one dimensional to be an all-star, aleast for right now. Noah rebounds, Bargs shoots. Loez and Horford are both very good "true centers". They rebound, block shots, and can score when called on. Right now I'd give the edge to Horford, since his teams was won a game. :D

finstock 11-24-2009 08:18 PM

Rasho.


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