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Old 06-20-2014, 12:04 AM   #21 (permalink)
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On the plus side this opens the door for the Cavs to f-up another # 1 pick and choose wrong between Wiggy and Parker. Can you smell a face plant coming.

Or really screw it up by still picking him.

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Old 06-20-2014, 08:25 AM   #22 (permalink)
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On the plus side this opens the door for the Cavs to f-up another # 1 pick and choose wrong between Wiggy and Parker. Can you smell a face plant coming.

Or really screw it up by still picking him.
I like Parker but the Cavs not taking Wiggins when there's not even a close challenger would be insanely inept.

Flip side though, if rumours are true and Irving wants out I can see the logic for a trade of the #1 for Thad and Exum but even then how does one pass on Wiggins? Leave it to the the Cavs to draft positionally and not BPA, a major franchise error that would be.
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He will be gone at 4-6. I agree with you all that he should drop and teams shouldn't take such a chance on him... except they always do... someone always goes crazy for the hurt big man. Noel was gone at 6 last year and missed the entire year. don't think he gets past Boston.

Cavs working out smart or exum is just fucking stupid.
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He will be gone at 4-6. I agree with you all that he should drop and teams shouldn't take such a chance on him... except they always do... someone always goes crazy for the hurt big man. Noel was gone at 6 last year and missed the entire year. don't think he gets past Boston.

Cavs working out smart or exum is just fucking stupid.
Someone will probably chance on him, a team with 2 picks I would think, Boston being one I agree but I would think they would try with their 2nd pick - unless they send them both to Minny for Love.

Not sure why the Cavs are messing around with Smart and Exum - just a waste of time for both.

Noel was an interesting pick, by taking him and waiting the year allowed the 76er's get another top pick - probably Exum but honestly, I would take Vonleh in Phillys position to pair with Noel.

If Bynum keeps getting chances and the door has never been closed on Oden then some team will gamble on Embiid....hopefully it's the Lakers.
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The Cavs are maybe looking to trade for Favors and #5 for the first pick, so working out smart or exum isn't so stupid.
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Old 06-20-2014, 02:11 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The Cavs are maybe looking to trade for Favors and #5 for the first pick, so working out smart or exum isn't so stupid.
They must be thinking something, otherwise I don't see why they would need either of them with Kyrie. You'd think Wiggins would be a no brainer at #1 if Embiid isn't.
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They must be thinking something, otherwise I don't see why they would need either of them with Kyrie. You'd think Wiggins would be a no brainer at #1 if Embiid isn't.
I would think even trading Kyrie might be in play. Being prepared for a number of scenarios is never a bad thing.
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I would think even trading Kyrie might be in play. Being prepared for a number of scenarios is never a bad thing.
Maybe they're thinking Irving will go but seriously, with the new CBA it would not be in his best interest at all unless he's traded and that won't happen unless the Cavs get an all star in return....how do you do that with an all star rook unless another team wants to give up a rook all star - tough no? Besides, I thought it was Waiters that Irving and others had issues with there. Maybe a trade will be Waiters for a young wing.

Could be just a ruse to get more from Philly too.
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:07 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Joel Embiid has two screws placed in foot, agent confident he can play in NBA after healing

For his sake, let’s hope Joel Embiid’s surgery was not only successful but that in a year or so he shows no effects from it.

Embiid went under the knife on Friday to repair a stress fracture in the navicular bone of his right foot.

His agent says it went as well as could be expected, here are the tweets via Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo Sports.


Your instinct here is right according to medical professionals — the more screws used, the worse the long-term prognosis. One would have been ideal, but it could have been worse at three or more.

Recovery is expected to take 4-6 months officially. My guess? Whoever drafts Embiid is going to do the same thing the Clippers did with Blake Griffin and what the Sixers did with Nerlens Noel last season — sit him. For the entire season.

The question is who will draft him and how far Embiid ultimately falls down the board. The navicular bone is the same one that Yao Ming, Bill Walton and Zydrunas Ilgauskas battled, none of them terribly successfully. How far Embiid can come back and if this could be a chronic issue has to be on the minds of GMs in their draft war rooms.

That said, in a league without many dominant centers anymore, Embiid could become one and that makes him worth the gamble. He is incredibly athletic and mobile for someone his size and the question becomes will he be able to move the same way. He can protect the rim and rebounds, his offensive game is all about potential but he made leaps during his season at Kansas.

I’d be surprised if Embiid got past the five slot, but it depends on what teams take away from this surgical report.

To his credit, Embiid has remained optimistic.

- Kurt Helin, Jun. 20, 2014, 4:50 PM EDT
Joel Embiid has two screws placed in foot, agent confident he can play in NBA after healing | ProBasketballTalk
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Old 06-20-2014, 06:14 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I really think he is going to drop to 15-20 based on the type of injury.
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Old 06-20-2014, 08:52 PM   #31 (permalink)
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if he's available at 20 it would be hard to not pick him.....

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Just in per ESPN: he could be out for as long as 6 months. Definitely changes things in the draft.
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Just in per ESPN: he could be out for as long as 6 months. Definitely changes things in the draft.
was posted already.


question, if he's there at 20 would you want us to take him?


We should put a poll up...
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Of course. The reward heavily outweighs the risk imo. I'd even consider trading into the top 10-15 to snag him. He's a foundational blue chip player.
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How far will Joel Embiid slide? - 2014 NBA Draft - ESPN
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Old 06-20-2014, 11:17 PM   #36 (permalink)
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question, if he's there at 20 would you want us to take him?


We should put a poll up...
Picking him knowing he might be Oden 2.0? It's difficult to say so early. Yao and Big Z had this issue after playing a few years in the NBA. We know this injury is not a one time thing and may come back. Also, if the reports are true about his back issues as well I just don't see the point of drafting someone who is already struggling with health issues.

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Picking him knowing he might be Odon 2.0? It's difficult to say so early. Yao and Big Z had this issue after playing a few years in the NBA. We know this injury is not a one time thing and may come back. Also, if the reports are true about his back issues as well I just don't see the point of drafting someone who is already struggling with health issues.
U've got to be kidding me. Ya maybe in the top 3 I won't, but I wouldn't hesitate after 6. Too much to offer to not take the risk

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question, if he's there at 20 would you want us to take him?


We should put a poll up...
there is 0 chance he is there at 20

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I've got to be kidding me. Ya maybe in the top 3 I won't, but I wouldn't hesitate after 6. Too much to offer to not take the risk
While it could be high risk - high reward pick This type of injury is bad news.
In college he had multiple back issues and now this. I rather have someone serviceable than someone who had a great potential but has been battling one injury after another.

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"With that type of injury," said a Western Conference executive, "I wouldn't take him in the top-ten."
The injury information was supplied to reporters by Embiid's agent, Arn Tellem, who added that Embiid will undergo surgery to repair the injury on Friday.
The navicular bone, which is located at the top of the foot, above the arch, is a critical bone for anything that requires power, running or jumping. And it is a familiar one in the NBA.
Yao Ming suffered a stress fracture in the bone in 2008 and again in 2009, and it was the primary cause for Yao's forced retirement in 2011. Bill Walton battled fractures of the navicular bone that robbed him of all but 14 games between 1978 and 1982 and ultimately forced him into retirement. Zydrunas Ilgauskas dealt with a navicular fracture early in his career but went on to finish with nine healthy seasons.
More recently, Grizzlies guard Quincy Pondexter underwent surgery to repair a tarsal navicular stress fracture in his right foot last December and missed the rest of the season.
Based on the information, it's impossible to predict a league-wide reaction to Embiid's injury. There are too many variables: The success of the surgery, the estimated time for recovery, the projected long term prognosis. To date, Embiid's only reported injury has been his back, an injury that caused him to miss the Big 12 tournament and the NCAA tournament. Tellem told ESPN that the foot injury occurred within the last few days.

Read More: Joel Embiid's foot injury could send him tumbling on draft day - NBA - Chris Mannix - SI.com

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