Wiggins and Bennett for Love
Old 08-07-2014, 11:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Kevin Love trade -- Cleveland Cavaliers, Minnesota Timberwolves have agreement in place - ESPN

I know the Cavs want to win now, but still think they've overpaid for Love. Goes to show you just how much Bosh has hurt us by not revealing his intentions to bolt earlier.

Anyway, I think this solidifies the chances of Wiggins playing in Toronto sooner rather than later. All he needs to do is survive in Minny for 3 years and then sign for only 1 year.

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Old 08-07-2014, 11:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It will be really nice for Minny if rumors are true and they flip Bennett to the 76er's for Thad. I would LOVE Thad on the Raps; he'll be a nice replacement for Love to add with Rubio, Wiggins and Pek.
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Old 08-07-2014, 12:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It will be really nice for Minny if rumors are true and they flip Bennett to the 76er's for Thad. I would LOVE Thad on the Raps; he'll be a nice replacement for Love to add with Rubio, Wiggins and Pek.
Rubio is gone before the break IMO. They will finish above Utah at least.

If you were Cleveland would you rather - Bennett Wiggins and a first for Love - or Kyrie Irving and Bennett for Love and Rubio.
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Minnesota should try to get Bledsoe imo. Wonder if the Suns would be interested in Martin or Rubio + picks for a S&T.

Bledsoe, Wiggins, Bennett, Young, Pekovic isn't a playoff team in the West but it's a start in the right direction imo.
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Old 08-07-2014, 01:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Does anyone else think this is a steal for Minny?

They are getting the last 2 #1 picks for a guy who is leaving their team regardless. I am impressed that the wolves managed to play all the teams off each other to get that kind of deal.

WAAAAY too much if you ask me but time will tell.
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It will be really nice for Minny if rumors are true and they flip Bennett to the 76er's for Thad. I would LOVE Thad on the Raps; he'll be a nice replacement for Love to add with Rubio, Wiggins and Pek.
Why would they flip Bennett for an in his prime Young at this point when it's clear they're rebuilding? I believe Young has an opt out of his contract after this year, so you'd be trading a young #1 pick for a 1 year rental. It makes no sense.

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Rubio is gone before the break IMO. They will finish above Utah at least.
Again, why would they trade Rubio when they're rebuilding, and he's clearly one of their main pieces with Wiggins with regards to their core players?

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If you were Cleveland would you rather - Bennett Wiggins and a first for Love - or Kyrie Irving and Bennett for Love and Rubio.
Now you're just making up random trades. That trade would never happen for many reasons, mostly because Cleveland wouldn't be willing to trade Irving, and why should they when they can get Love for Wiggins/Bennett? Your idea makes no sense. Plus Kyrie is a much much better player than Rubio at this point. I'm sure Cleveland is fine trading Bennett/Wiggins/protected 1st over one of the best PGs in the NBA.

With regard to the trade itself, as it's been mentioned before, this is good for Toronto, because if Minnesota continues to be deplorable which they will likely be the next 3-4 years, Wiggins will likely want out. The only issue is no max level player has ever left his original team after the first season since he can make so much more with them, so that's a huge hurdle for us to get him in 4 years time, but if Becky Hammon has taught us anything, there's a first for everything.

Wiggins to Toronto 2018!

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Does anyone else think this is a steal for Minny?

They are getting the last 2 #1 picks for a guy who is leaving their team regardless. I am impressed that the wolves managed to play all the teams off each other to get that kind of deal.

WAAAAY too much if you ask me but time will tell.
I think they likely benefitted big time from the media reporting Lebron's intentions and desire for Love. I don't think any of the other teams really mattered, Cleveland couldn't play it cool, the King wanted the trade made.
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Thrills, why such a big Irving fan. IMO he's closer to Rubio then he is guys like Westbrook , Paul and Parker.
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Does anyone else think this is a steal for Minny?

They are getting the last 2 #1 picks for a guy who is leaving their team regardless. I am impressed that the wolves managed to play all the teams off each other to get that kind of deal.

WAAAAY too much if you ask me but time will tell.
Not a steal, because Saunder's is still coaching and he's bound to screw it up and retard the development of Wiggin's and Bennet.
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Why would they flip Bennett for an in his prime Young at this point when it's clear they're rebuilding? I believe Young has an opt out of his contract after this year, so you'd be trading a young #1 pick for a 1 year rental. It makes no sense.
Because they've stated they want Thad (whose only 26 and maybe JUST entering his prime) to be there instead of a #1 that is so-so with potential - big deal. Don't shot the messenger but IMO they would be better with Thad than Bennett. Of course, Thad would need to agree to sign an extension but certainly I like it better than Bennett. Besides, they can trade Thad for other assets if need be - he'd be worth more at this stage of his career in a trade than Bennett would be.

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Thrills, why such a big Irving fan. IMO he's closer to Rubio then he is guys like Westbrook , Paul and Parker.
I've always liked Irvings game and I think he's been underappreciated due to the bad start his team has had in Cleveland, more so due to the terrible management and coaching in their organization, but in todays sports culture, the lead player always gets a brunt of the blame, and gets labelled. I think by the end of the regular season next year, everyone will be all over him in a good way again when he's proven to be a very efficient, good passing, sniper type PG, and he'll be considered as one of the best PGs in the NBA at that time.

Him and Rubio are not comparable. You cant be a good team when your PG shoots 36% who's usage is in the same range as high level PGs, and he shoots a horrible percentage at the rim and from 3. And I'm a big Rubio fan, but he needs to make a big improvement next year in his shooting if he wants that max deal he's been talking about. People often compare him to JKidd, but even though JKidd couldnt shoot most of his career, his 2 point percentages and percentage at the rim wasn't bad, which enabled him to be an effective offensive player who could carry an offence. Rubio has a long way to go, and this upcoming season will show whether or not he's been working at his game since he's going to be running most of the plays for MIN.
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Because they've stated they want Thad (whose only 26 and maybe JUST entering his prime) to be there instead of a #1 that is so-so with potential - big deal. Don't shot the messenger but IMO they would be better with Thad than Bennett. Of course, Thad would need to agree to sign an extension but certainly I like it better than Bennett. Besides, they can trade Thad for other assets if need be - he'd be worth more at this stage of his career in a trade than Bennett would be.
Those were just rumors, and again, Thad doesn't have any value since he's an expiring contract. It'd basically be the JJ Redick deal all over again(for Harris), where MIL ended up with egg on their face.

I prefer Thad over Bennett too going forward, but his contract and situation make a trade for Bennett especially unlikely. I'm sure PHI will try to flip him for a 2nd round pick or a late 1st at the deadline again, because that's all they're going to get for a likely rental.
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Why would they flip Bennett for an in his prime Young at this point when it's clear they're rebuilding? I believe Young has an opt out of his contract after this year, so you'd be trading a young #1 pick for a 1 year rental. It makes no sense.



Again, why would they trade Rubio when they're rebuilding, and he's clearly one of their main pieces with Wiggins with regards to their core players?



Now you're just making up random trades. That trade would never happen for many reasons, mostly because Cleveland wouldn't be willing to trade Irving, and why should they when they can get Love for Wiggins/Bennett? Your idea makes no sense. Plus Kyrie is a much much better player than Rubio at this point. I'm sure Cleveland is fine trading Bennett/Wiggins/protected 1st over one of the best PGs in the NBA.

With regard to the trade itself, as it's been mentioned before, this is good for Toronto, because if Minnesota continues to be deplorable which they will likely be the next 3-4 years, Wiggins will likely want out. The only issue is no max level player has ever left his original team after the first season since he can make so much more with them, so that's a huge hurdle for us to get him in 4 years time, but if Becky Hammon has taught us anything, there's a first for everything.

Wiggins to Toronto 2018!
Ummm...Because Rubio has stated he wants max dollars, he's a UFA next year. He's not worth max dollars. And if they don't trade him they will most likely lose him. Pretty simple logic.

As for that trade. It might not make sense to you. But Minny needs to trade Rubio for one and Irving is better than anyone they could get. And there is not enough basketballs on a team with Irving, Waiters or Wiggins, LBJ and Love. Irving is a huge salary. If you don't think Rubio and Wiggins equal about the same park as Irving given the above, then you don't. I see merit in it.

And they would flip Bennett because he's sucked. and just because he was number one in a horrid draft year is worth about as much as a bag of primo pasta.

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Does anyone else think this is a steal for Minny?

They are getting the last 2 #1 picks for a guy who is leaving their team regardless. I am impressed that the wolves managed to play all the teams off each other to get that kind of deal.

WAAAAY too much if you ask me but time will tell.
Absolutely great haul for Minny. They could have probably settled earlier, and ended up with not as great of a deal, but they didn't rush things, and it looks like Cleveland gradually upped their offer.

I'll go one step further. I think that this makes Cleveland better in the short term, but not as good as everybody thinks they will be. Love is injury prone, and hasn't done much to lead Minnesota anywhere. His stats are great, but will be somewhat muted playing next to LeBron, and he's not a great defender. A Varejao/Love front court looks good, but that's IF they can stay healthy. And that's a BIG if.

Cavs had to do this to appease LeBron, but I think looking back on this one years from now, Minnesota will have gotten the better deal.
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the cavs pretty much had to make this deal, but it's very risky ... For minesotta, this is nothing short of amazing. I'm very curious to see how the cavs do, I don't like love and I don't like irving, always thought they are very overrated. This will be the ultimate test for that type of players they are.
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What would it take for MU to some how get Wiggins in this trade?

Could we trade DeRozan & a future 1st? & would we want to?
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You guys don't seem to understand that when you have the best player in the world in his prime - and about to leave it - you do whatever it takes to get the best players to surround him now.

The purpose of every team in the league is to win a championship. This puts the Cavaliers in a better position to win a championship now especially with the East being completely weakened.

If you're the Cavs, you're getting a top 10 player in the league through his prime. Love has agreed to sign a full five-year max. But you think they should worrying about Wiggins...possibly becoming a top 10 player in this league?
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I've always liked Irvings game and I think he's been underappreciated due to the bad start his team has had in Cleveland, more so due to the terrible management and coaching in their organization, but in todays sports culture, the lead player always gets a brunt of the blame, and gets labelled. I think by the end of the regular season next year, everyone will be all over him in a good way again when he's proven to be a very efficient, good passing, sniper type PG, and he'll be considered as one of the best PGs in the NBA at that time.

Him and Rubio are not comparable. You cant be a good team when your PG shoots 36% who's usage is in the same range as high level PGs, and he shoots a horrible percentage at the rim and from 3. And I'm a big Rubio fan, but he needs to make a big improvement next year in his shooting if he wants that max deal he's been talking about. People often compare him to JKidd, but even though JKidd couldnt shoot most of his career, his 2 point percentages and percentage at the rim wasn't bad, which enabled him to be an effective offensive player who could carry an offence. Rubio has a long way to go, and this upcoming season will show whether or not he's been working at his game since he's going to be running most of the plays for MIN.
I just don't think Irving is much of a leader, with Cleveland often playing what I thought was more inspired basketball without Irving in the lineup. Both those guys will essentially be switching roles now so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Rubio gets to put both feet into being the floor general, numero uno in the pecking order, and Irving will have to be concerned first and foremost with getting Lebron and Love going.

Bennett can be a pretty crafty scorer, he and Rubio might be an interesting combo on the pick and roll.

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This ups our chances of landing Wiggins when his rookie scale contract ends
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This ups our chances of landing Wiggins when his rookie scale contract ends
Yep, that's what she said.

I also believe that Minny made out like bandits. If I am Cleveland, I'd tell Minny to shove it on trading Wiggins period. I don't think the market for Love was as wide open as many have suggested, so Bennett plus a future first should have been enough had Cleveland waited a bit longer (or a lot longer).

Win-win for us, though.
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