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Old 08-07-2014, 04:34 PM   #41 (permalink)
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They locked up Kevin Love to a multi-year extension for Bennett, Wiggins and the 25th-30th pick in the draft. You take that and run every day of the week. Kevin Love has the chance to be a generational superstar and you guys are going to see that all the more now that he has LeBron passing to him. It isn't official so there might still be other pieces, which I'm hoping there is because I think Kevin Martin would also be a good fit on the new Cavs.

Irving/Delevedova
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Marion/Miller
James/Thompson
Love/Varejao

That's a hell of a team right there.
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Old 08-07-2014, 04:39 PM   #42 (permalink)
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They locked up Kevin Love to a multi-year extension for Bennett, Wiggins and the 25th-30th pick in the draft. You take that and run every day of the week. Kevin Love has the chance to be a generational superstar and you guys are going to see that all the more now that he has LeBron passing to him. It isn't official so there might still be other pieces, which I'm hoping there is because I think Kevin Martin would also be a good fit on the new Cavs.

Irving/Delevedova
Martin/Waiters
Marion/Miller
James/Thompson
Love/Varejao

That's a hell of a team right there.
Martin isn't going, at least it doesn't look that way. There was a rumor that Brewer was going to the Cavs though with Love which doesn't appear true.
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Some posters act like Wiggins is the next LBJ or Jordan. I've watched a fair bit of Wiggins and yes he's athletically gifted and definitely has a top skill set but I haven't seen that "level" from him. He may or may not develop "it" but Love is definitely worth the risk now compared to waiting on Wiggins to "potentially" develop in a few years. As for Bennett? Well, he'll most likely be fighting a weight issue all his career and certainly hasn't played like a #1 pick - most have him as a bust or maybe, just maybe a serviceable starter in the future (and I've defended Bennett and like him). Cleveland's future #1? Meh, what is that....mid to high 20's? Great.

For the situation of both teams - one in a win now mode and the other in a win in the future mode - this is definitely a great trade for both of them.

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Martin isn't going, at least it doesn't look that way. There was a rumor that Brewer was going to the Cavs though with Love which doesn't appear true.
Brewer...way way too much salary, the Cavs would have to trade Haywood/Lucas/Murphy/Thomas/Wiggins/Bennett just to make it work and honestly, the Cavs need Haywood for depth.

Maybe Mo signed in Minny so he can get traded back to the Cavs with Love - since the Cavs couldn't outright sign him for more than the vet min; and why else would Mo sign there?

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Some posters act like Wiggins is the next LBJ or Jordan. I've watched a fair bit of Wiggins and yes he's athletically gifted and definitely has a top skill set but I haven't seen that "level" from him. He may or may not develop "it" but Love is definitely worth the risk now compared to waiting on Wiggins to "potentially" develop in a few years. As for Bennett? Well, he'll most likely be fitting a weight issue all his career and certainly hasn't played like a #1 pick - most have him as a bust or maybe, just maybe a serviceable starter in the future (and I've defended Bennett and like him). Cleveland's future #1? Meh, what is that....mid to high 20's? Great.

For the situation of both teams - one in a win now mode and the other in a win in the future mode - this is definitely a great trade for both of them.
Couldn't agree more. Wiggins is good but will he be great some day? Who knows. He aspires to be a top 20 player in the NBA. Love is already there. Bennett is a question mark at this point and if the 1st round pick is protected it'll likely be mediocre. How this is a steal for Minnesota is beyond me. It might turn out to be but it'll take a couple years to know that. If Cleveland wins at least one championship they win the deal, period. Because Minnesota is going nowhere in the standing for years.
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Okay i misworded that, they might get to the finals but there is no way they are going to beat a western conference team. I don't think this team is better than the champtionship teams in Miami
It's worse. The real hallmark of the Heat was their defense. The Cavs don't have one.
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Okay i misworded that, they might get to the finals but there is no way they are going to beat a western conference team. I don't think this team is better than the champtionship teams in Miami
They don't HAVE TO win a championship this season. But do they have a great chance to win one or two in the next 4yrs, looks that way. As for Miami, that's debateable. I think this Cleveland team is better up front, and they have a better PG, better bench if Marion goes there. And really, we have no idea how they will play together. Time will tell, but they will have the most talent in the EC.
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It's worse. The real hallmark of the Heat was their defense. The Cavs don't have one.
I think their D is ok with Marion, Lebron, AV and Jones/Miller are ok. Not as good as Miami in their own end but it'll be up to the new coach to get that out of them. I also think Love might be passable defensively playing with Lebron.
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I think this is a good deal for both teams.
I do too. Except one thing... I think Cleveland could have accomplished something else not as flashy as Kevin love but put together a better team with the assets they are giving up for other parts instead.
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Some posters act like Wiggins is the next LBJ or Jordan. I've watched a fair bit of Wiggins and yes he's athletically gifted and definitely has a top skill set but I haven't seen that "level" from him. He may or may not develop "it" but Love is definitely worth the risk now compared to waiting on Wiggins to "potentially" develop in a few years. As for Bennett? Well, he'll most likely be fighting a weight issue all his career and certainly hasn't played like a #1 pick - most have him as a bust or maybe, just maybe a serviceable starter in the future (and I've defended Bennett and like him). Cleveland's future #1? Meh, what is that....mid to high 20's? Great.

For the situation of both teams - one in a win now mode and the other in a win in the future mode - this is definitely a great trade for both of them.

Wiggins isn't Jordan. Wiggins is Scotty Pippen. And you don't trade Scotty Pippen for Kevin fucking Love!

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It's worse. The real hallmark of the Heat was their defense. The Cavs don't have one.
They possibly just traded their 2nd best defender.
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How this is a steal for Minnesota is beyond me.
correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Love going to walk anyway ?
so Minny gets 2 first overalls and a protected first
just shows how poorly the whole Bosh fiasco was played out by the Raps front office
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correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Love going to walk anyway ?
so Minny gets 2 first overalls and a protected first
just shows how poorly the whole Bosh fiasco was played out by the Raps front office
Bosh was totally different. He never said he's leaving 1.5yrs before becoming a FA. Obviously part of that is on the front office, but Bosh should also take part of that blame. Hell, I think they've known for two years now that he wouldn't re-sign. Bosh always acted like he enjoyed playing here and never said he wanted out.
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Wiggins isn't Jordan. Wiggins is Scotty Pippen. And you don't trade Scotty Pippen for Kevin fucking Love!



They possibly just traded their 2nd best defender.
He has the potential for Pippen for sure but he has a long ways to go even for that comparison. As for Love, he's a Pippen level sidekick and he's going to sidekick for the best player in the world. Still, not bad imo for both teams.

They might have traded their "potential" 2nd best defender but may have just signed a defender that's better than he is now.
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Bosh was totally different. He never said he's leaving 1.5yrs before becoming a FA. Obviously part of that is on the front office, but Bosh should also take part of that blame. Hell, I think they've known for two years now that he wouldn't re-sign. Bosh always acted like he enjoyed playing here and never said he wanted out.
so if you're management and you have serious doubts regarding your star/franchise player resigning with your club...

you put him up for auction immediately and get the best deal possible
you DON'T take chances by settling for a "wait and see" policy

i'll take 2 1st overalls and and protected 1st round over nothing...any day of the week
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correct me if i'm wrong, but wasn't Love going to walk anyway ?
so Minny gets 2 first overalls and a protected first
just shows how poorly the whole Bosh fiasco was played out by the Raps front office
We got a first rounder back and besides, Bosh never hinted at leaving.

We gave Bosh for a s&t, he wasn't in a contract like love

Stop comparing them, these are different situations
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How do you know that Love can't fetch Thompson? There were rumors of both GS willing and not willing to deal him.
My reasoning is pretty simple really: if GS were willing to trade Thompson and whatever other stuff for Love, he'd already be a Warrior.

But he isn't, because they weren't.
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My reasoning is pretty simple really: if GS were willing to trade Thompson and whatever other stuff for Love, he'd already be a Warrior.

But he isn't, because they weren't.
GS was willing to trade Klay...Kerr and players like AI fought against it. If GS really had no interest in trading Klay, you wouldn't have seen Kerr/AI and others being so adamant publicly that he should stay.
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We got a first rounder back and besides, Bosh never hinted at leaving.

We gave Bosh for a s&t, he wasn't in a contract like love

Stop comparing them, these are different situations
This, Bosh never hinted at leaving and even gave the impression he would resign; which I think he was going to tbh. I don't even think he planned on really leaving till that All star break and his meetings with LBJ/Wade seemed to have changed his mind - he was totally different after. The team at that point had zero leverage in any trade - as much as I like Bosh he kinda inadvertently fk'd the team over.
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They traded a disgruntled Kevin Love who was about to leave for Bennett, Wiggins and the 25th-30th pick in the draft. You take that and run every day of the week. Andrew Wiggins has the chance to be a generational superstar and you guys are going to see that all the more now that he has Rubio passing to him and will be the focus of the offense. It isn't official so there might still be other pieces, which I'm hoping there is because I think the Cavs just made a huge mistake if they're not at least getting some other value in there.

Rubio/Barea
Lavine/Shved
Wiggins/Brewer/Budinger
Dieng/Bennett/Cunningham
Pekovic/Turiaf

That's a hell of a young squad right there.
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