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Claudius 02-02-2012 09:25 PM

Who are the franchise players in the NBA?
 
Beyond Rose, Durant, Kobe, Wade, James and Bryant who are they?

I have left 'Melo, Paul and D12 off my list.

Bill Haverchuck 02-02-2012 09:26 PM

Define "franchise player"?

Nites 02-02-2012 09:27 PM

D12 is a franchise player...

Claudius 02-02-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 608769)
Define "franchise player"?

Up for debate as well. Go nuts. Provide a list with your parameters.

Don Vito 02-02-2012 09:33 PM

Blake Griffin & D12.

Nites 02-02-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 608769)
Define "franchise player"?

A player who instantly changes the face of a franchise.

Take Dwight off the Magic and they become a team that will not make the playoffs. LeBron when he was with the Cavs was a clear definition of what a franchise player is.

ClutchCity 02-02-2012 09:35 PM

Scalabrine

http://themajors.com/wp-content/uplo...calabrine2.jpg

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pzabby 02-02-2012 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 608768)
Beyond Rose, Durant, Kobe, Wade, James and Bryant who are they?

I have left 'Melo, Paul and D12 off my list.

i lol'd

Dark Knight 02-02-2012 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 608777)
Up for debate as well. Go nuts. Provide a list with your parameters.

Well, my definition of a franchise player would include:

- Someone ownership can market to the fans.
- Someone who is the leader, the heart of your team.
- Someone who has the drive to win and make themselves and everyone around them better.
- Someone who is above and beyond your best player.


Having said that, including the ones you've already listed, I would include:

Chris Paul (quickly stealing the show from Blake Griffin in LA)
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett

Just off the top of my head.

Don Vito 02-02-2012 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 608786)
Well, my definition of a franchise player would include:

- Someone ownership can market to the fans.
- Someone who is the leader, the heart of your team.
- Someone who has the drive to win and make themselves and everyone around them better.
- Someone who is above and beyond your best player.


Having said that, including the ones you've already listed, I would include:

Chris Paul (quickly stealing the show from Blake Griffin in LA)
Paul Pierce
Steve Nash
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett

Just off the top of my head.

Stealing the show? Call me when Paul makes a play that generates millions of hits in a few days.


Dark Knight 02-02-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 608789)
Stealing the show? Call me when Paul makes a play that generates millions of hits in a few days.

Griffin's INSANE dunk of the year! - YouTube

You didn't read my explanation of a "franchise player" at all did you? :p

Griffin may make the flashy dunks, but Paul is becoming the heart of that team. He's a top-notch competitor and demands that he and his teammates give 100% effort every single night. Take him off that roster and they become a fringe playoff team, in my opinion at least.

Don Vito 02-02-2012 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 608794)
You didn't read my explanation of a "franchise player" at all did you? :p

Griffin may make the flashy dunks, but Paul is becoming the heart of that team. He's a top-notch competitor and demands that he and his teammates give 100% effort every single night. Take him off that roster and they become a fringe playoff team, in my opinion at least.

Take Griffin off and you have the Hornets. :cookie:

Dark Knight 02-02-2012 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 608796)
Take Griffin off and you have the Hornets. :cookie:

The Hornets of 2008 maybe, the team that went 56-26. DeAndre Jordan would be the Clipper version of Tyson Chandler. :reporter:

Bill Haverchuck 02-02-2012 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 608777)
Up for debate as well. Go nuts. Provide a list with your parameters.

Well, see, that's just it: I might have a different idea of what qualifies as a franchise player. I mean, if you're talking about guys you can build around and have a chance to make the finals, then I think D12 probably qualifies because he has been to the finals before. And he was the key to making the system work. Hedo and Lewis were at the end of their prime, yet looked much better alongside Howard. Also, without Howard, that team couldn't have got away with some weak defenders and using undersized PFs.

I'm sort of on the fence about Howard. I mean, he got to the finals. He was the definitely (and easily) the best player on that team. What more does he have to do?

Also, I think if you put Howard on a team that lacks any clear cut all-stars (capable of making the team right now) but has a good supporting cast, he could make the team a title contender.

For example, right now, I don't tink there is a chance in hell that Denver, Indiana or Philly win the title. But, if you replaced Hibbert with Howard, Indiana would have a respectable chance, in my opinion. Replace Nene with Howard...I think Denver has a chance. Replace...say, Elton Brand and Hawes, with Howard and I think Philly now has a chance.

Howard + good supporting cast, even one lacking a clear cut all-star, is probably a contender

Don Vito 02-02-2012 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight (Post 608798)
The Hornets of 2008 maybe, the team that went 56-26. DeAndre Jordan would be the Clipper version of Tyson Chandler. :reporter:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/member...if-serious.jpg

Dark Knight 02-02-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 608801)

http://more-cats.ru/wp-content/uploa...s-serious7.jpg

That is a fair comparison if you ask me, other than Chandler's basketball IQ is likely higher than DeAndre's. :p

Northern Neighbour 02-02-2012 10:07 PM

I think DK is serious. The Clippers have several shooters, a shot blocking centre in Jordan, and good depth - much like New Orleans in 2008. And both teams have/had Paul. I agree with DK that Paul is a franchise player, and he's the guy that makes the Clippers go. Griffin is an excellent player, but he's not like Paul, who makes everyone around him better and can dominant games in a lot of different ways. A franchise player isn't the one who makes the flashiest plays - he's the guy who drives the team and leads them to wins. Paul does that more than Griffin IMO.

And look at the Clippers' record with and without Paul. With Paul, they are 10-4. Without him, they went 3-2 - and two of those wins were against Toronto and Utah.

I think Howard is a franchise player. He dominates at both ends of the court. Offensively, teams have to double team him on offence which leads to wide-open shots. Defensively, his teammates can play aggressively on the perimeter knowing that Howard is the last line of defence.

I think Nash, Garnett, and Pierce were at one time franchise players, but no longer. Much like Tim Duncan, father time has caught up to them. All these players can dominate a game, but they can no longer do it for an entire season.

Nowitzki should be mentioned as a franchise player. Maybe not so much this year, but he has been in the past. He's the heart and soul of the Mavericks.

Bill Haverchuck 02-02-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Neighbour (Post 608813)
I think Howard is a franchise player. He dominates at both ends of the court. Offensively, teams have to double team him on offence which leads to wide-open shots. Defensively, his teammates can play aggressively on the perimeter knowing that Howard is the last line of defence.

I think Nash, Garnett, and Pierce were at one time franchise players, but no longer. Much like Tim Duncan, father time has caught up to them. All these players can dominate a game, but they can no longer do it for an entire season.

Nowitzki should be mentioned as a franchise player. Maybe not so much this year, but he has been in the past. He's the heart and soul of the Mavericks.

Good points here.

jeffb 02-02-2012 10:12 PM

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Dark Knight 02-02-2012 10:17 PM

Just trying to think of some more franchise players, what about Manu Ginobili? Is it possible for a franchise player to come off the bench?


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