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LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-20-2012 07:00 PM

Who do you think are the Top 10 NBA Players Ever (no order/rank involved) ?
 
This is a tough but interesting question. Who are the top 10 nba players of all time?

I think the top 10 players of all time are, again, in no specific order:

Magic, Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt and Russell.

Oh so close: Pippen, Big O, Cousy

Aamir 10-20-2012 08:07 PM

Pippen definitely isn't close to top 10.

KoolAid 10-20-2012 08:16 PM

Jordan Magic Wilt Shaq Kareem Bird Russell Duncan Big O Garnett

Bold are the untouchables, pretty much guaranteed top-10 all timers, non-bold are debatable.

I wouldn't put Cousy in the top ten simply because of how different the game is now from back then, how much more athletically enhanced players are than before.

th3answ3r 10-20-2012 09:07 PM

^kobe is top 10 no doubt

pzabby 10-20-2012 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by th3answ3r (Post 690995)
^kobe is top 10 no doubt

I don't think so. hell, I say lebron at his peak (now) is better than kobe at his peak (3-5 years ago?)

I think lebron, by the end of his career, will definitely start getting nods into that untouchable group. He's a machine. I don't think the NBA's ever witnessed a small forward with so much power, athletisicm, talent, and overall ability, ever.

KoolAid 10-20-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 690999)
I don't think so. hell, I say lebron at his peak (now) is better than kobe at his peak (3-5 years ago?)

I think lebron, by the end of his career, will definitely start getting nods into that untouchable group. He's a machine. I don't think the NBA's ever witnessed a small forward with so much power, athletisicm, talent, and overall ability, ever.

He's IMO better scoring, not as good a playmaker as Magic

LX 10-20-2012 11:27 PM

There is no way in hell Kobe is top ten. He gets consideration for his rings, but he's just not there. He makes the top 20.

The big men really hog most of the top ten. You could argue for Bill Walton or Moses Malone. Walton didn't last very long, but did amazing things with little help around him. And Malone was perhaps the key part of one of the best teams ever. Then you've got easier choices with Kareem, Hakeem, Shaquille, Wilt, Russell, and Duncan. And I'd be tempted to include Garnett in that group. That's nine right there. But let's just go with six bigs. Then you have Jordan and Robertson. And there's no way Kobe gets placed ahead of Lebron, let alone Bird and Magic.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-20-2012 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 691009)
There is no way in hell Kobe is top ten. He gets consideration for his rings, but he's just not there. He makes the top 20.

The big men really hog most of the top ten. You could argue for Bill Walton or Moses Malone. Walton didn't last very long, but did amazing things with little help around him. And Malone was perhaps the key part of one of the best teams ever. Then you've got easier choices with Kareem, Hakeem, Shaquille, Wilt, Russell, and Duncan. And I'd be tempted to include Garnett in that group. That's nine right there. But let's just go with six bigs. Then you have Jordan and Robertson. And there's no way Kobe gets placed ahead of Lebron, let alone Bird and Magic.

where is Kobe getting placed ahead of anyone? my top 10 is in no particular rank/order.

LBJ getting a ring has helped him a lot. Also, not too many players, if any, could've taken that 07 cavs team to the finals. When it's all said and done LBJ should be ahead of Kobe.

TORaptor4Ever 10-20-2012 11:39 PM

LX pretty much hit the nail on the head....

Oscar
MJ
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
M. Malone or K. Malone
Stockton

Narrow misses: Barkley, KG, Duncan

IMO.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-21-2012 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 691011)
LX pretty much hit the nail on the head....

Oscar
MJ
Kareem
Shaq
Wilt
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
M. Malone or K. Malone
Stockton

Narrow misses: Barkley, KG, Duncan

IMO.

Can't include Stockton dude. If you include Stockton than you open the floodgates for a bunch of other PGs. I think Magic is the only clear top 10 player of all time who's a PG.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-21-2012 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 690999)
I think lebron, by the end of his career, will definitely start getting nods into that untouchable group. He's a machine. I don't think the NBA's ever witnessed a small forward with so much power, athletisicm, talent, and overall ability, ever.

Kind of like if Magic and Jordan had a baby. Most definitely the 2nd best small forward ever.

dfunkie1 10-21-2012 12:25 AM

if mj can be in the top ten, why can't kobe? i really don't see anything that necessarily distinguishes their individual greatness when it's said and done. but this is coming from an avid MJ hater to kobe hater.

i don't think shaq belongs in the top ten. in his own generation he arguably behind the likes of both hakeem and robinson at his own position.

i'd take stockton ten times out of ten times of zeke, but i don't have any issues saying that zeke was the superior player between the two of them.

i don't have lists, just comments. i never really believed in judging players from different generations, especially when the league wasn't nearly as advanced as it is today.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 10-21-2012 12:35 AM

MJ is the better version of Kobe or Kobe is the worse version of MJ. Both have defined the SG position. Kobe has more range but MJ was better than him in almost every other area. Jordan was the man on a team that won 6 championships.

KoolAid 10-21-2012 03:52 AM

Shaq's peak >>> anything else

in terms of longevity he might not have been that great but his accolades make up for that imo.

finstock 10-21-2012 05:09 AM

My Mt. Rushmore would include:

Jordan - The Greatest
Russell - The Pioneer
Kareem - The Scorer
Magic - The Innovator

Rounding out the top ten: Bird, Duncan, Wilt, Hakeem, Oscar, West (or Moses).

Nites 10-21-2012 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 691017)
if mj can be in the top ten, why can't kobe? i really don't see anything that necessarily distinguishes their individual greatness when it's said and done. but this is coming from an avid MJ hater to kobe hater.

i don't think shaq belongs in the top ten. in his own generation he arguably behind the likes of both hakeem and robinson at his own position.

i'd take stockton ten times out of ten times of zeke, but i don't have any issues saying that zeke was the superior player between the two of them.

i don't have lists, just comments. i never really believed in judging players from different generations, especially when the league wasn't nearly as advanced as it is today.

Robinson is one of my favourite players. However, you just can't put him ahead of Shaq.

Nites 10-21-2012 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KoolAid (Post 691044)
Shaq's peak >>> anything else

in terms of longevity he might not have been that great but his accolades make up for that imo.

In terms of longevity he was pretty great as well.

1992-2003 (11 years he just pure dominated)
2003-2006 (Still a 20 and 10 player and helped Miami to a title)
2007-2009 (No longer 20 and 10 player but still dropped 45 on the Raps)
2009-2011 (Should have retired before these last two years)

MBailey85 10-21-2012 05:42 AM

1. Michael Jordan
• Magic Johnson
•Larry Bird
•Hakeem Olajuwon
•Wilt Chamberlain
•Kareem Abdul Jabbar
•Oscar Robertson
•Isiah Thomas
•Tim Duncan
•Kobe Bryant

on the outside looking in

•Bill Russell
•Jerry West
•Shaquille O'Neal
•Karl Malone
•LeBron James

LX 10-21-2012 11:10 AM

I don't think it's that hard to pinpoint the players that made unique contributions to he game, while standing out as legends in their own time.

Russell defined the way the game gets played in ways that still apply today.

Bird and Magic and Oscar were all just so highly skilled in so many areas.

Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem all had such big immediate impacts, and they put up the numbers to show that. It is less of a big man's game today, but it's still hard to think about even thinking about picking any guards or small forwards outside of Bird, Magic and Oscar over any of those guys, if you're building a team.

Do Jordan and Kobe get included in that group of smalls? I think the two do have similarities. Jordan without Phil's influence might not have quite warranted consideration. Phil was able to get him to play less selfishly, so that his own efforts would be magnified. He gave MJ a little bit of Bill Russell. Phil didn't have quite the same effect on Kobe, to where you could see him clearly understanding and buying in. He would sometimes appear to understand without fully buying in, and other times just putting team principles aside and playing selfishly. Much of his career has been about the degree to which his selfish tendencies have been reigned in, and to me therein lies the difference between the two players. Let MJ and Kobe trade places. Does Kobe win 72 games in Chicago? I just don't think he would do the same job of maximizing what was there. Meanwhile Jordan and Shaq would likely equal the success in LA, if not surpass it. You might not even need to consider Jordan in his prime, but just let MJ play with Shaq at his current age in 2000.

From there I think you could go in a lot of different directions, that become a little hazy, but I think there are ten players that are hard to question.

jeffb 10-21-2012 11:30 AM

Jordan
Bird
Magic
Duncan
Kobe
Hakeem
Robertson
Chamberlain
Russell
Shaq

10-20: Stockton, Isiah, Cunningham, West, Cousy, Barkley, kareem, Lebron, Malone, Erving


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