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Old 10-21-2012, 11:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Anybody without Kareem top ten...I don't understand you.

And really people putting Kobe over Russell, Shaq, and Kareem?

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Kobe is around 8-12th all time IMO. However, saying there's ''no way in hell'' Kobe is top ten is hating. The case can definitely be made he's top ten. Longevity is a big reason why.
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When Kobe wins 7, he will be top 5
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:07 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Anybody without Kareem top ten...I don't understand you.

And really people putting Kobe over Russell, Shaq, and Kareem?
Kobe over Russell is a stretch in most NBA circles(understandably)

But the argument can be made over Shaq and maybe Jabbar

Most points in a game during the Modern Era(1980-present) with 81
5 championships,7 Finals appearances,2 times he led his team to a title(Finals MVP's). He's probably the most polished/skilled guard of all time(not the best,don't get it twisted). He's won more titles without Shaq,then Shaq without Kobe. Ever since what happened in Denver,he's been portrayed in a negative light but he's truly a living legend. Its unfortunate that Jordan was there at the beginning of his career and James has been at his peak for the end of Kobe's career but he's incredible. Great defender too, has been clutch.

The weird thing is why does Kobe need half a dozen rings or more to prove himself,but James is already being thrusted into top 10 talk when it took him 3 tries to get his first ring and it came in a shortened season and he has just the one?
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:13 PM   #25 (permalink)
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1. Michael Jordan
• Magic Johnson
•Larry Bird
•Hakeem Olajuwon
•Wilt Chamberlain
•Kareem Abdul Jabbar
•Oscar Robertson
•Isiah Thomas
•Tim Duncan
•Kobe Bryant

on the outside looking in

•Bill Russell
•Jerry West
•Shaquille O'Neal
•Karl Malone
•LeBron James
Russell and Shaq are guaranteed top 10.
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Russell and Shaq are guaranteed top 10.
Yea Russell for sure,maybe not mine but I understand why he is for most NBA fans.

Its not that I don't understand why for Shaq. He was unique considering his size and what not. As a big man though,I have a hard time putting him ahead of Hakeem,Wilt,Duncan,Kareem & Russell. That's 5 big men already lol. For my list I guess most would replace Isiah or Kobe for Shaq but I think as fiercly Thomas played for his size and the way he led one of the most notorious and roughest teams as a little guy,I think he's as equally unique as Shaq(if not more). I somewhat made a case for Kobe in a previous post already. I wouldn't oppose Shaq being a top 10 candidate though.
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Yea Russell for sure,maybe not mine but I understand why he is for most NBA fans.

Its not that I don't understand why for Shaq. He was unique considering his size and what not. As a big man though,I have a hard time putting him ahead of Hakeem,Wilt,Duncan,Kareem & Russell. That's 5 big men already lol. For my list I guess most would replace Isiah or Kobe for Shaq but I think as fiercly Thomas played for size and the way he led one of the most notorious and roughest teams as a little guy,I think he's as equally unique as Shaq. I somewhat made a case for Kobe in a previous post already. I wouldn't oppose Shaq being a top 10 candidate though.
That just shows the influence of big men. There is no quota for a top 10 rankings. Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Duncan, Wilt and Russell were all great. Then there's Bird, Jordan and Magic who are guaranteed top 10. The last spot, I'd say Kobe, some would say Big O.

If you say Zeke is in the top 10 then that opens the floodgates for a lot of PGs that can be said are in the top 10.
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Jason Kidd isn't top 10 and probably not 20,but where does he rank...he's finally an NBA Champion(where he played a decent role) and has had a stellar career since day 1. We all know about his triple double's,but he's also amongst the all time leader's in 3-pointers made. Kind of underrated in that sense if you ask me because he never comes to mind. Should've had an MVP too but got robbed by Duncan in the early 2000's.
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:34 PM   #29 (permalink)
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That just shows the influence of big men...If you say Zeke is in the top 10 then that opens the floodgates for a lot of PGs that can be said are in the top 10.
Both true,

In Thomas case though,with the exception of Stockton and Kidd(maybe Iverson)..there's a difference between Isiah and guys like Payton,Paul and other past or present great PG's. If I'm not mistaken,Thomas is probably the last PG to lead his team to an NBA championship,did so with a rugged team that took on his character and leadership. We won't see that again I bet. I know Billups won Finals MVP in 04 and that can be classified as leading his team to a title but that team was different. That starting 5 should've collectively won Finals MVP lol,no one stood out more than the other,all solid role players.

I'd like to see the return of the big man, they kind of changed to the Chandler types these days. I see good thing's in Jonas. They need to fly him out to work with Hakeem lol.
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I'm going to start by saying that I don't think you can be on this list and still playing.

Michael Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwon
Karl Malone
Julius Erving

Jerry West is a very, very close 11th.

For the record I think Bill Russell is great and certainly top 20, but as an individual player he wasn't very strong offensively and that's an important factor to me. Also it was an era with considerably less talent on the whole and the Celtics teams he was on likely would have still been able to win most of those championships without him.

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I'm going to start by saying that I don't think you can be on this list and still playing.

Michael Jordan
Wilt Chamberlain
Shaquille O'Neal
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Oscar Robertson
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Hakeem Olajuwon
Karl Malone
Julius Erving

Jerry West is a very, very close 11th.

For the record I think Bill Russell is great and certainly top 20, but as an individual player he wasn't very strong offensively and that's an important factor to me. Also it was an era with considerably less talent on the whole and the Celtics teams he was on likely would have still been able to win most of those championships without him.
Russell again not in someone's top 10? sheer madness

He won 11 championships. The dude was a defensive monster and a beast on the glass. He was also an underrated passer. There is more to the game of basketball than offense and he showed that. He also won 2 championships as a player-coach. The Finals MVP trophy is named after him.

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Both true,

In Thomas case though,with the exception of Stockton and Kidd(maybe Iverson)..there's a difference between Isiah and guys like Payton,Paul and other past or present great PG's. If I'm not mistaken,Thomas is probably the last PG to lead his team to an NBA championship,did so with a rugged team that took on his character and leadership. We won't see that again I bet. I know Billups won Finals MVP in 04 and that can be classified as leading his team to a title but that team was different. That starting 5 should've collectively won Finals MVP lol,no one stood out more than the other,all solid role players.

I'd like to see the return of the big man, they kind of changed to the Chandler types these days. I see good thing's in Jonas. They need to fly him out to work with Hakeem lol.
Jerry West and Cousy are another two PGs who could rival Thomas.
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I'm going to start by saying that I don't think you can be on this list and still playing.
I can respect your point but to me how to you leave off a guy like Timmy? Or Kobe? Both are close to retirement and I think both have proven they are top ten.And though you can't add him yet LBJ will eventually be top 3 knocking out Timmy. For me I disagree about Russell...Boston was so-so before he came and sucked after he left...11 championships in 13 years...Rbds, Blks, Ultimate leader and winner, how do you leave him off?.

Tim
Kobe
Shaq
Oscar
Wilt
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Jordan
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Russell again not in someone's top 10? sheer madness

He won 11 championships. The dude was a defensive monster and a beast on the glass. He was also an underrated passer. There is more to the game of basketball than offense and he showed that. He also won 2 championships as a player-coach. The Finals MVP trophy is named after him.
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Tim
Kobe
Shaq
Oscar
Wilt
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Magic
Jordan
All bias and preference aside,this is the most accurate and best list for top 10 of all time. Its hard leaving out Hakeem though
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All bias and preference aside,this is the most accurate and best list for top 10 of all time. Its hard leaving out Hakeem though
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Kobe over Russell is a stretch in most NBA circles(understandably)

But the argument can be made over Shaq and maybe Jabbar

Most points in a game during the Modern Era(1980-present) with 81
5 championships,7 Finals appearances,2 times he led his team to a title(Finals MVP's). He's probably the most polished/skilled guard of all time(not the best,don't get it twisted). He's won more titles without Shaq,then Shaq without Kobe. Ever since what happened in Denver,he's been portrayed in a negative light but he's truly a living legend. Its unfortunate that Jordan was there at the beginning of his career and James has been at his peak for the end of Kobe's career but he's incredible. Great defender too, has been clutch.

The weird thing is why does Kobe need half a dozen rings or more to prove himself,but James is already being thrusted into top 10 talk when it took him 3 tries to get his first ring and it came in a shortened season and he has just the one?
i completely agree regarding LBJ, he has a ways to go and he will be top 2 once he's done but for now, he hasn't done enough.

And about Jabbar.....
6 MVP (5 on the Bucks)
6 Titles (1 without Magic)
Creator of the shot that is near impossible to defend - Sky hook
league-record 38,387 points

I like the fact he was the best in the league before Magic, did it on his own, though the majority only remember him wearing purple and gold his dominance was established long before he ended his career on the Lakers dynasty.

Now if Kobe wins another title or 2 and continues his dominance, he should be top 3 of all time imo and over Russell/Shaq/Jabbar/Magic/Bird.
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And about Jabbar.....
6 MVP (5 on the Bucks)
6 Titles (1 without Magic)
Creator of the shot that is near impossible to defend - Sky hook
league-record 38,387 points

I like the fact he was the best in the league before Magic, did it on his own, though the majority only remember him wearing purple and gold his dominance was established long before he ended his career on the Lakers dynasty.
Wow,when you put it like that K.A.J. is criminally under appreciated. The good folks at the Staples Center needed to see this post years ago because he's just finally getting his statue outside of the arena lol. This fact also uncovers the reality that if the media isn't too fond of you it effects how the public perceives you. He should easily be in everyone's top 10,but because he's known to have been a jerk in the past I guess he gets knocked down a few spots.
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Russell again not in someone's top 10? sheer madness

He won 11 championships. The dude was a defensive monster and a beast on the glass. He was also an underrated passer. There is more to the game of basketball than offense and he showed that. He also won 2 championships as a player-coach. The Finals MVP trophy is named after him.
Case Closed...I didn't have Russell in my top 10 before...kind of ashamed now lol. Still like Zeke but Russell has obviously had a bigger impact on the game,not to mention he averaged 20+ rpg like 10 times!
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Russell again not in someone's top 10? sheer madness

He won 11 championships. The dude was a defensive monster and a beast on the glass. He was also an underrated passer. There is more to the game of basketball than offense and he showed that. He also won 2 championships as a player-coach. The Finals MVP trophy is named after him.
Yeah and the NBA logo is modelled after Jerry West but you didn't see him on that many of these top 10s. I don't necessarily value rings as the ultimate factor in regards to being top 10. If I did then Robert Horry should be top 10. That and it's just a fact that offense is valued more highly than defense. If we were going for the top 10 best team players in NBA history yeah he'd be top 3 but I'm talking about individual players' ability and achievements and individually he wasn't a fantastic offensive player.

And for the record I'm including Dr.J's ABA career as part of the reason for being in my top ten. That's what puts him over the top, really.

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