What happened to Detroit?
Old 02-26-2009, 09:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Detroit dropped to 27-29 on Wed. in New Orleans, losing its eighth straight game, 90-87

The worst may not be over. The Pistons play in Orlando on Friday and in Boston on Sunday , meaning that a losing streak of 10 games and counting likely looms.


To demonstrate what a remarkable run it's been for the Motor City Bad Boys and just how far they've have stumbled into unfamiliar territory, we've put together 29 facts and factoids with great help from the team at ESPN Research.

Consider this:

1. Detroit has lost 17 of 22 games, including 10 of 12 at the Palace of Auburn Hills, generally considered one of the best home courts in the NBA.

2. The Pistons are now 2-9 in February, with one game to go (in Orlando). In the last four Februarys combined, the Pistons lost just eight games, going 38-8 overall.

3. It's been seven years since the Pistons didn't reach the Eastern Conference Finals.

4. It's been eight years since the Pistons had a losing record for the season.

5. It's been eight years since the Pistons didn't win 50 games in the regular season.

6. Before this week, they hadn't had a seven-game losing streak since 2003.

7. Their last eight-game losing streak was in the 1994-95 season.

8. Their last nine-game losing streak came as part of a 14-game losing streak in 1994 (spanning two seasons).

9. Detroit has had only five losing seasons in the past 25 seasons.

10. The Pistons' three NBA titles in the past 20 seasons puts them in the NBA's fantastic four during those two decades, with the Bulls (six titles), the Spurs (four titles) and the Lakers (three titles).

11. Overall, the Pistons have been the third-best team of the past six seasons, according to Marc Stein's cumulative Power Rankings. This week, they fell to No. 21 on Stein's ledger (before their most recent two losses) and now are No. 23 on John Hollinger's automated Power Rankings.

12. As of Thurs. morning, the Pistons had only a 42.8 percent chance of making the playoffs, according to the Hollinger Playoff Odds. They had been above 50 percent until Tuesday's loss to Miami.

13. So far, the Pistons' early-season trade of Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson has backfired. (The trade was motivated in part by a desire to clear salary.) When Iverson joined the team, the Pistons were 4-0 (1.000). Since then, they've gone 23-29 (.442).

14. The Pistons have lost the last six times they've been led in scoring by Iverson, who, incidentally, stands fifth on the NBA's all-time leaderboard for points per game.

15. Rodney Stuckey, Billups' replacement, has slumped miserably, failing to reach 20 points in each of the last 19 games, after scoring 20 or more in six of his previous 13 games. Meanwhile, Billups has led the resurgent Nuggets to third place in the West, after many expected them before the trade to miss the playoffs altogether this season.

16. Before the season, the last Pistons coach with a losing record was the immortal George Irvine.

17. Detroit has fired three coaches since starting its remarkable run of six straight trips to the East finals.

18. Those three coaches are Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, and Flip Saunders, who have now coached exactly 3,400 NBA games combined, winning 1,935 and losing 1,465 (.569) -- including a combined 384-190 record (.669) with the Pistons.

19. The current coach, Michael Curry, spent just one season as an NBA assistant, in Detroit, before taking over. His career record is 27-29 (.482).

20. The NBA's sportsmanship award winner each season is given the Joe Dumars trophy, named for the Pistons' universally admired president of basketball operations. And yet, the Pistons are perpetually among the league's most petulant teams, routinely among the leaders in technical fouls and poor sportsmanship, with Rasheed Wallace the worst offender. Counting this season, Sheed has led the NBA in technical fouls in seven seasons, and has been in the top five in technical fouls in 12 of his 14 seasons. For his career, he has 293 technical fouls.

21. On Wed., the Pistons seemed poised to end their losing streak, leading the Hornets early in the fourth quarter, but Wallace suffered the kind of meltdown that's punctuated his career. With the game tied 71-71, Wallace gave up an offensive rebound to Hornets reserve forward Sean Marks, allowing New Orleans to score the basket that put them ahead to stay in a game they would win by just three points. After the Marks play, Wallace complained demonstratively to get technical foul No. 15, and shortly thereafter angrily knocked a towel from a Hornets ballboy's hand into the crowd for technical foul No. 16. He followed that by throwing a towel in the direction of his coach, Michael Curry, who had just seconds before removed him from the game. All of this raises the possibility that Wallace will face what would probably be the NBA's first-ever triple suspension -- the automatic suspension for his 16th technical foul of the season, a league suspension for knocking a towel into the crowd and a team suspension for his actions toward his coach. Or might the Pistons just release him now, with only 26 games remaining on his contract? In any case, Sheed's tenure in Detroit, which began in spectacular fashion in 2004 with an NBA title (remember his championship belt?), is reaching an ignominious end.

22. Richard Hamilton has the lowest scoring (17.0 ppg) and rebounding (2.9 rpg) numbers of his career, not counting his rookie season, when he played just 19 minutes a game.

23. After the game, Hamilton complained about his demotion to the bench, and his role as Iverson's understudy for the past 16 games. "I've said I'm happy to come off the bench as long as we're winning," Hamilton said. "But we're losing. We're now 4-12 with me coming the bench. Something's got to change." The Pistons are 17-16 with Hamilton starting.

24. In hopes of winning a title with the Pistons, Antonio McDyess forfeited almost $9 million in guaranteed salary this season and next to get free of his contract with the Nuggets after he was included in the Billups-Iverson trade.

25. Curry vowed to develop the Pistons' young players, but the process hasn't been a smooth one. In addition to Stuckey's slump mentioned above, and the 8.1 PER of Arron Afflalo, there is the case of Jason Maxiell: Though he's one of Detroit's more productive players, Maxiell's minutes have dropped this season from 21.6 to 16.3 per game. (Actually, Curry is not the first Detroit coach in recent years to show reluctance to disturb his lineup of veterans, as the careers of Mehmet Okur, Darko Milicic, Carlos Arroyo, Carlos Delfino and Amir Johnson have shown.)

26. Detroit was once Where Reclamation Projects Happen: Think Billups, Hamilton, Wallace and Wallace. The Pistons tried it to apply their Midas touch to this season's major free-agent signee, Kwame Brown, with disastrous results. Brown has started 19 games for the Pistons, but has played only 27 minutes in the last month and has a PER of 10.6, nearly a career low.

27. The Pistons' streak of consecutive home sellouts, which began in Jan. 2004 and stood as the NBA's high at the time, ended on Feb. 4 at 259 consecutive games.

28. The date for Pistons loss No. 29 in the previous six seasons (including the postseason):

2003: April 6
2004: April 21
2005: April 29
2006: Eliminated from playoffs with 26 total losses
2007: April 15
2008: May 28

29. Despite it all, the Pistons aren't dead yet. If the playoffs started today, they would get their chance to knock off the defending NBA champions in the first round.

Royce Webb is an NBA editor for ESPN.com.

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Old 02-26-2009, 09:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You can't trade away the heart and soul of your team to save money, lie to one of your best players about your intentions and lastly, hire Michael Curry as head coach.
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
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This is why you don't give a former player with NO head coaching experience a head coaching job.

Didn't work for CHI.

Not working for DET.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:09 AM   #5 (permalink)
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AI happened to Detroit... that's what happened to Detroit.

Walking cancer machine is working full force...
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:17 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Curry's going to go down as the guy that failed to even reach .500 with arguably one of the most individually talented teams of this decade.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:18 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ahem.... someone bump my 'iverson is a loser' thread.
i want to rub it in all of the people's faces that said i was an idiot.
where are you now!!!
eat that crow!!!! eat it!!!!!
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:21 AM   #8 (permalink)
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This has nothing at all to do with AI directly.

Chauncey was the heart and soul of that team and was traded away to save money. What kind of message does that send to the rest of the players?

Also, do you think Rip would have signed a big extension had he known Billups was being traded the next day?
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:26 AM   #9 (permalink)
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There was never a player in the NBA that is hated by his teammates more then AI... nobody and I mean nobody wants to play with this tattooed little troll.
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It's not even that it's A.I. or anything. It's who really leads that offence? They have no PG on that squad. They thought Stuckey was ready. He wasn't. In fact, he's shown that he's more of a 6th man type if anything. Chauncey had a calming effect on that team from the PG position both offensively and defensively.

The team's a mess and I'd actually rather be in our situation than theirs. And yes, Dumars is Brilliant!
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You can't trade away the heart and soul of your team to save money, lie to one of your best players about your intentions and lastly, hire Michael Curry as head coach.
agree on all accounts, and i especially appreciate the jab at the end.
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There was never a player in the NBA that is hated by his teammates more then AI... nobody and I mean nobody wants to play with this tattooed little troll.
Really?

Evidence?
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Detroit 27 Wins 29 Losses
Good Enough for You?
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Good Enough for You?
Wow!

Yup, I'm convinced.

They're two games under .500. Damn, he must be the most hated player ever!
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if you really think it is all AI, you obv havent watched one pistons game since the trade.... ask any real pistons fan who is the main culpret, Curry.
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Riiight... that's all on AI.

Curry's players tuned him out, simple as that and rightfully so. The guy shouldn't be a coach in this league.
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In fact, out of these four

1) Iverson
2) Rip
3) Curry
4) Dumars

Iverson is the least to blame, he has brought what Joe thought and played like he plays. Rip was the 1st to give up on the team after being "disrespected" by Dumars. Dumars made a bad trade, not for a bad player, just not an ideal fit and he topped it off with a moron coach this year. Curry...... see above.
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Wow!

Yup, I'm convinced.

They're two games under .500. Damn, he must be the most hated player ever!
Detroit was 4 and 0 when they got him.
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damn they were headed to 82-0 for sure!! I mean, the Raptors started out 3-0 and didnt make a blockbuster move early, we should be what, 15 games over .500 now?
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What part of CANCER you guys cannot understand?

The part that he is a selfish, too lazy to practice, arrogant prick in love with himself or the part where he destroys each & every coach or team that he touches...

Not hard to figure out...

team + AI = no chance of success
team - AI = chance of success

see in this formula '+' equals 'no'... math never lies.
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