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Old 05-22-2013, 02:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Some of the posters in this thread are completely out to lunch. West is currently a better option in the playoffs than Griffin because of his solid offensive game and array of moves. And yes, he's a solid help defender. But to say that if he came to LAC he'd start over BG? Are you fucking crazy? Do you really think the Clippers would bench their best young player who is on every billboard and is one of the 2 main reasons their arena sells out every night in favor of David West? Comeon. And really, who's to say Griffin doesn't come back even better next year?

To those who said he's a one trick pony with no basketball moves, you're also out of your damn mind. People criticized BG last year for having no midrange game, not caring about defence, and terrible free throw shooting. This year he came back and upped his FT percentage by 14%, and his midrange game was a lot better, even though it isn't where it needs to be as of yet. His defence was also A LOT better than his previous season, both individually, and help wise. Blake also added a jump hook with BOTH hands this season, and his spin move layup over his right shoulder is almost unstoppable when he goes quick in the post. I think Blakes improvement this year has been substantial, and shows his commitment to getting better.

Blakes biggest issues are making quick moves in the post, as he often gets the ball, holds it, backs down for 5 seconds, and then kicks it out once the help comes, leaving little to no time on the shot clock. That's his biggest weakness on offence. If he used his quickness with his faceup moves, he'd be unstoppable. I think he'll learn that within 1-2 years, and he may end up being the best PF in basketball sooner than people think. His other issues are his inconsistent rebounding, and spot up game. He has way too many games with under 7 rebounds, and theres no excuse for that with his ability. And his spot up shot not only needs to improve, but as stated above, he needs to shoot it off the catch instead of holding it so damn long(Carmelo Anthony syndrome).

If the Clippers do get West, it's going to be in a 6th man role. They're not going to start him with BG, nor bring BG off the bench(one of the most ridiculous comments I've ever read on this board. If you actually believe that Doc, you seriously need to switch sports). If they started both together, although they'd be a great offensive team, their complete lack of rebounding and size would kill them on the other end. I can see West taking a 6th man role with them and playing 30 mpg off of the bench a la Odom a few years ago with LA, but that's the only role he'll have on LAC based on their current roster. He'd be a fantastic fit though because him and CP3 were deadly on screen and roll/pop a few years ago.

I think West will ultimately come back to IND though in a starting role. He fits there, would get more money, and more minutes.
IMO you're way over estimating the impact Griffin has compared to West. West has the ability to lift his team up on his own - Griffin had no idea what to do or how to lift his team when Paul went down for an extended period. Hey, good player but certainly not the player that's hyped up on bill boards and what not - regular season sizzle but playoff fizzle. West is getting better with each round of the playoffs, Griffin? well, not so sure he has that ability. As for West starting over Griffin if they were on the same team, probably not, but really that will be more about age and media relations; and honestly, I could see West taking that spot away for a year or 2 if they played on the same team - well, in the playoffs any ways. Truthfully, this is all hypothetical musings, at least on my end. West is better than Griffin on offense and defense and one day that will change - when West retires. I would take either player though over what the Raps have.

Too bad one couldn't stick West's brain in Griffin's body - now that would be one helluva good player.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:53 PM   #42 (permalink)
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west is currently a better option for both the clippers and the pacers simply because he's the best player, and more important, he has better chemistry with paul than paul does with griffin.

i don't think it'd be a decision of west starting in front of griffin, more than getting better assets for griffin and replacing him at no personnel cost with west.
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IMO you're way over estimating the impact Griffin has compared to West. West has the ability to lift his team up on his own - Griffin had no idea what to do or how to lift his team when Paul went down for an extended period. Hey, good player but certainly not the player that's hyped up on bill boards and what not - regular season sizzle but playoff fizzle. West is getting better with each round of the playoffs, Griffin? well, not so sure he has that ability. As for West starting over Griffin if they were on the same team, probably not, but really that will be more about age and media relations; and honestly, I could see West taking that spot away for a year or 2 if they played on the same team - well, in the playoffs any ways. Truthfully, this is all hypothetical musings, at least on my end. West is better than Griffin on offense and defense and one day that will change - when West retires. I would take either player though over what the Raps have.

Too bad one couldn't stick West's brain in Griffin's body - now that would be one helluva good player.
Honestly, I don't understand your arguments. The Hornets with West sucked donkey balls when CP3 was injured, CP3 is an awesome player. What lifting are you talking about?
Re playoffs, Blake was pretty solid until he twisted his ankle, and West had poor playoffs so far. Is he getting better which every round? I hope so, because the Pacers aren't going to last long vs. Miami if his slump continues.
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West is better than Griffin on offense and defense and one day that will change - when West retires. I would take either player though over what the Raps have.

Too bad one couldn't stick West's brain in Griffin's body - now that would be one helluva good player.
I just don't understand comments like these. With Blakes improvements year to year, why cant he be a better player than West next year? It's not like Blake doesn't have the talent level or work ethic.

They don't even play the same roles on their teams. Griffin is the Clippers second option and HAS to produce at a high level on offence for the Clippers to win in the playoffs.

West is the Pacers 2-4 option, as in they play more of a team oriented offence, and don't forcefeed West the ball like the Clippers do Griffin. Offensively, if you had to rank the players touches in the Pacers offence, it'd go 1. George, and then the second spot is up for grabs most nights depending on who has the best matchup.

West isn't even Indiana's second best player, nor their 2nd option on offence a majority of games. He isn't as good as he was with NOH with CP3, he HAS slowed down a bit, but he has the old man game so his age hasn't affected his game too much.

I just don't think you can count out Griffin as becoming the next great bigman in the league when he has all of the tools to get to that level. He's a fantastic ball handler and passer for his size, he's a fantastic finisher at the rim. He just needs to put his game together in terms of putting more of an emphasis on rebounding the ball every single night, and making quick decisive moves on offence. If he does that, and continues to improve with his outside game and free throw shooting, then the skys the limit IMO.
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I just don't understand comments like these. With Blakes improvements year to year, why cant he be a better player than West next year? It's not like Blake doesn't have the talent level or work ethic.

They don't even play the same roles on their teams. Griffin is the Clippers second option and HAS to produce at a high level on offence for the Clippers to win in the playoffs.

West is the Pacers 2-4 option, as in they play more of a team oriented offence, and don't forcefeed West the ball like the Clippers do Griffin. Offensively, if you had to rank the players touches in the Pacers offence, it'd go 1. George, and then the second spot is up for grabs most nights depending on who has the best matchup.

West isn't even Indiana's second best player, nor their 2nd option on offence a majority of games. He isn't as good as he was with NOH with CP3, he HAS slowed down a bit, but he has the old man game so his age hasn't affected his game too much.

I just don't think you can count out Griffin as becoming the next great bigman in the league when he has all of the tools to get to that level. He's a fantastic ball handler and passer for his size, he's a fantastic finisher at the rim. He just needs to put his game together in terms of putting more of an emphasis on rebounding the ball every single night, and making quick decisive moves on offence. If he does that, and continues to improve with his outside game and free throw shooting, then the skys the limit IMO.
I don't count Griffin out but when you dissect his game he has a long ways to go. Can he do it, possibly, but you take his dunks away then he absolutely struggles. When I see PF's push Griffin away from the basket towards the perimeter his offensive impact just isn't there anymore as he becomes frustrated and makes silly decisions. Griffin has a tremendous skillset and athleticism to match but he seems to get down on himself very easily and then starts to play frustrated or sulks on the bench. Truth be told that worries more than anything else. All the greats that I've watched may get frustrated at times but then they typically start to impose their will on the game - I would like to see that from Griffin, with or without Paul on the floor.

The 2 have virtually the same stats but Griffin as a 2nd option, doesn't have the same impact as West as the 2-4th option.
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