WC PLAYOFFS RD 1 : (2)OKC THUNDER vs (7)DAL MAVERICKS - Page 3

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View Poll Results: Who wins and in how many games?
OKC IN 4 3 13.64%
OKC IN 5 4 18.18%
OKC IN 6 6 27.27%
OKC IN 7 4 18.18%
DAL IN 4 0 0%
DAL IN 5 0 0%
DAL IN 6 1 4.55%
DAL IN 7 4 18.18%
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:22 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Dallas should have killed the clock totally on their last possesion
no. because they were down 1 point. you try to either get the tie or lead with the best shot possible without looking at the clock.
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:26 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Dallas should have killed the clock totally on their last possesion
Dirk got a good look by going to the hoop when he did, though. It's a tough call, for a couple of reasons.

1 - if you let the clock run down to a few seconds before Dirk makes his move, he runs the risk of a last second double-team coming and then he just jacks another jumper with a hand in his face

2- one philosophy is that if you're trailing on what could be the last possession, and you're going to try and get into the paint (as Dirk did), you might as well leave yourself a few seconds for an O reboound or a tip, in case you miss.
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:28 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Dallas ran the same play against the Heat...most teams expect you to go for the immediate basket to give yourself more time if you miss.

Dallas holds it and sykes like they're going to drain the clock, but then Dirk goes with 12/11 seconds left.
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Old 04-29-2012, 01:30 AM   #44 (permalink)
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no. because they were down 1 point. you try to either get the tie or lead with the best shot possible without looking at the clock.
Still, leaving 9 seconds on the clock for the opposing team is way to much. You are basically giving OKC the chance to win back the game.

They had no timeout left also so when OKC made the game winning shot with 1.3 seconds left, they can't get another good shot at it.

Just voicing my opinion!
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Old 04-29-2012, 02:48 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Still, leaving 9 seconds on the clock for the opposing team is way to much. You are basically giving OKC the chance to win back the game.

They had no timeout left also so when OKC made the game winning shot with 1.3 seconds left, they can't get another good shot at it.

Just voicing my opinion!
If the game was tied, it would make sense to milk the clock and guarantee yourself the last shot. However, if you're down 1, that strategy doesn't make much sense. History tells us that a team is more likely to miss than to make a basket on any given possession. That's why it doesn't make much sense to hold the ball until the last second if you're down. Defence will be fully set, you will most likely not get a good shot off, and you only have one opportunity to win. It makes much more sense to take the shot with enough time remaining for you to grab an offensive rebound in case of a miss. If you score off the initial shot, you play D and hope the other team misses. You have the play the percentages. Had Durant missed that last second shot, would you be making the same argument? Think about how good the D was against Durant's gamewinner. He got lucky. You HAVE TO play the percentages.

With your strategy, it's do or die on what would most likely be a low percentage shot (teams shoot lower percentages as the clock winds down). In these late game situations, the league average is about 28% FG (24 seconds or less with a chance to tie or take the lead) if I remember correctly. With the strategy Dallas had, you not only have the initial opportunity to take the lead, but you have a chance at an offensive rebound. Usually, defences will swarm the shooter hard on last-second shots because if timed correctly, there's not much opportunity there for an offensive rebound. Defense knows this. They will time their doubles and most of the time be able to force a bad shot. Going earlier in the shot clock will prevent this and usually lead to a higher percentage shot than a last second shot. And if the defence does swarm the shooter when you go early in the shot clock, you'll have a pretty good chance at an offensive rebound and it will most likely lead to a high percentage shot whether it's a tip, or it's the offensive rebounder going back up, or a possible kickout leading to an open shot. That's another chance to take the lead with Dallas' strategy. And if you miss and fail to grab the offensive rebound, you can still foul and at worst have a chance to tie the game with a three. Even if you have no timeouts left like Dallas, you can still have enough time to set up a three pointer for the tie because you have enough time on the clock. Usually, it's easier to set up a three in semi-transition or running full-court rather than out of a timeout. And it's possible for Dallas to miss the initial shot, get the offensive rebound, and miss off a kickout, and still foul with about 4 or 5 seconds left in the game. With no timeouts left, that's still a decent amount of time to get a shot off especially if Terry or someone leaks out after the free throws. That's at least 2 chances to win/tie and up to 3 chances to win/tie. Not only will you have more opportunities, but you will have better looks. I think Dallas' strategy was perfect, Durant just got lucky.
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Dallas ran the same play against the Heat...most teams expect you to go for the immediate basket to give yourself more time if you miss.

Dallas holds it and sykes like they're going to drain the clock, but then Dirk goes with 12/11 seconds left.
That time they went early because Miami had a foul to give and Dallas was expecting the foul.
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Old 04-29-2012, 03:25 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Still, leaving 9 seconds on the clock for the opposing team is way to much. You are basically giving OKC the chance to win back the game.

They had no timeout left also so when OKC made the game winning shot with 1.3 seconds left, they can't get another good shot at it.

Just voicing my opinion!
this is the way i look at it:

They run the cock out an miss the shot. This leaves dallas with with no time to do anything even if they try and foul OKC.

Thats why when you have 24 seconds left in the game and 24 seconds in the shot clock, you have to try and get your guy open and get a good look. if you are open, you take the shot. Take the lead and go on from there.

Hind site 20/20, you can make a case, but at the time it was the right call imho.
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Can't believe we lost this one...

Great showing from Dallas though. You can tell some of the guys turned the switch on.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:38 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Can't believe we lost this one...

Great showing from Dallas though. You can tell some of the guys turned the switch on.
Do you think Dirk has it in him to get to the level he was at last year? He needs his greatest effort for every little success - everything looks like a struggle against Ibaka & Perkins.

Defensively - he's just not getting to where he needs to be in time.
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Dallas just doesn't have enough legs to keep up with them.
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Dallas just doesn't have enough legs to keep up with them.
Dallas was up the entire game on OKC.

They have the legs. Anyone who thinks otherwise may not have seen their games this year. Keeping in mind the fact that Dirk had a brutal game and Terry didn't score a point in the 4th...I can't say I'm worried. Dallas' ball movement and teamwork just shines against most team, they just need to make a few adjustments and they'll be good to go.
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Old 04-30-2012, 10:54 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Nice to see they stopped dressing the fans in Mavs blue.

Tough going in the paint so far.
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:21 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Old 04-30-2012, 11:23 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Dallas looks awful.
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This game is too tight.

Can't fucking handle watching this...
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fuck. what a terrible foul.
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Dallas playing them better than I thought they would in the first couple of games.
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