Vince Thomas: Big men with post skills a dying breed
Old 11-25-2009, 01:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Interesting article on nba.com

NBA.com: Where have all the true, bang 'em post players gone?

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Forget about the '90s and '80s when skilled post players were ubiquitous. I'm thinking that, as recently as the first half of this decade, we still had Shaq, Tim Duncan, Chris Webber, Vlade Divac, Rasheed Wallace (before he fell in love with the perimeter), a friskier Kevin Garnett, a younger Jermaine O'Neal and Yao Ming all mainly working out of the post. Nowadays, age has dropped some of those guys off the list and the newer big men stay out of the trenches.

Chris Bosh works best facing his man up around the 15-foot range. Dirk Nowitzki is basically a perimeter player. Dwight Howard gets his share of PIP, but on a lot of putbacks, alley-oops and "catch-'n-dunks." LaMarcus Aldridge rarely visits the post and Greg Oden is still too raw to be effective down there. Stoudemire is a face-up and pick-and-roll machine, not a post-up guy. KG and Sheed deserted their post games years ago. Duncan and Shaq aren't averaging 25-30 ppg anymore, so their production in the post isn't at nearly their to mid-decade levels.

Problem is, there's no one really coming up in the ranks.
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Old 11-25-2009, 01:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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A big man with a solid post game is basically unstoppable, in a way that no other position is. Imagine if a player like Oden or Howard had the post moves of a guy like Kevin McHale. I think in general you see the league moving in a direction that rewards raw athleticism more than fundamentals; since rule changes have made defending with physicality more difficult, it is easy to beat a man with pure power or speed, making attention to fundamentals less important.

Personally, I hope to see players blend skill with athleticism, but the continued trend of players coming into the league at 19 or 20 and starting or playing a significant role right away doesn't give them much of an opportunity to develop their skills as well as they could.
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A big man with a solid post game is basically unstoppable, in a way that no other position is. Imagine if a player like Oden or Howard had the post moves of a guy like Kevin McHale. I think in general you see the league moving in a direction that rewards raw athleticism more than fundamentals; since rule changes have made defending with physicality more difficult, it is easy to beat a man with pure power or speed, making attention to fundamentals less important.

Personally, I hope to see players blend skill with athleticism, but the continued trend of players coming into the league at 19 or 20 and starting or playing a significant role right away doesn't give them much of an opportunity to develop their skills as well as they could.
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hes got really good post moves....but i takes more than that to be "unstoppable"....you also need great defense...thats whats holding him back..

and how about brook lopez? or Pekinks?..i have seen changes Perkins has made to his inside game (ie, footwork and technique) and if he continues to build on that(with the help from KG of course) he is gonna be insane...
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Old 11-25-2009, 08:42 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Lopez is the only young post player to be effective down there. You need easy buckets to win in this league. If anyone wants to get a little dirty and get down there they could make a team very effective.

Personally I think the way the game is called now (very soft) it allows players to be almost as a effective farther from the bucket
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Old 11-25-2009, 11:29 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Being a post up big man is rough , unglamorous work. You get hacked and abused to no end and on top of that you are totally dependent on the ball carried getting you the ball when you're set up in the paint... And that's more difficult than it sounds given that you aren't allowed to camp out down there. A lot of the guys playing down low in the post today are the lesser offensive skilled players than their face up counterparts. They play down low because its close to the basket and the closer you go the higher your chances are... A lost concept on most face up bigs. A lot of the high talent forwards and centers, Bosh and Bargnani are two examples who hit close to home, have guard-like skills and they themselves and the teams feel a need to use that and so they should. Only problem is in doing so they tend to forget the post completely. If a great face up big man is strong enough then there is no reason they shouldn't be able to score down low in the paint because, after all, they have great touch, quick feet and good vision.

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Old 11-25-2009, 11:49 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol are both unreal with their backs to the basket. That's prob why the lakers are so good.
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Excellent point.
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Old 11-27-2009, 05:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Dwight would be just a killer if he had a nice post game, it's still entertaining to see him overpower other center's though.
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