UPDATED - Wojnarowski: NBA Locks Out Refs
Old 09-18-2009, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Refs spokesman: Lockout appears 'imminent' - NBA - Yahoo! Sports

looks like the season maybe delayed.

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The NBA has locked out its referees, Yahoo! Sports has learned.

After failing to reach an agreement with its game officials, the NBA will start referee training camp with replacements next week.

Talks ended on Thursday, when the league and NBA Referee’s Association were unable to come to terms on a new collective bargaining agreement. The NBA will use Developmental League and WNBA officials to start the preseason, and perhaps, the regular season.

“The proposals we have made to the NBRA are extraordinarily fair and reasonable, given the current economic circumstances,” the NBA’s Executive Vice President and General Counsel Rick Buchanan said in a league memo. “Since late 2008,

the league and our teams have made far deeper cuts in non-referee headcount and expenses than we are asking for here.

“It is extremely disappointing that the NBRA has ignored the economic realities, rejected our offer, and left us with no choice but to begin using replacement referees.”

The union believes that the NBA is asking for too many give backs in the league’s current proposal, and voted 57-0 among its officials to reject the NBA’s latest offer.
UPDATED: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

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Old 09-18-2009, 03:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Theres absolutely no way the NBA is going to delay the start of anything for the fucking referees. They get enough bad publicity because of Donaghy and because theyre considered the worst officated league in all of the major leagues. Stern isnt going to allow more bad publicity. Worst case(ie best case) scenario is they get replacement for those old senile assholes.
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Fuck thos referees. If they don't want to work fire their asses. The NBA is better off with me workng games
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Old 09-18-2009, 03:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I updated the link. Refs are apparently now locked out.

This isn't good for the start of the season.
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Shit. This is the type of thing that pisses me off.
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I'm too young to remember, but wasn't it a complete disaster the last time the NBA used replacement refs ('95)?
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It's been a disaster when any sport uses replacement refs.
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Where does it say the season may be delayed?
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They'll likely use the refs from NCAA and D-League. If they get the d-league guys, then well it's not bad as they're already climatized to the NBA environment.
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looks like replacement refs are a 'go' for the start of the season after the refs rejected the increased offer by the nba. 100-1 that the sticking point is the pension change from definied benifit to defined contribution. this is a major change that many employers are making because of the unpredictable and unfunded liability that goes with db plans, but unions hate it because it is a significant blow to the way their retirement plans are structured and in some cases also to the amount that they are able to save. i'd be pissed is if i was counting on a pension and this was happening to me, but any organization that still has a db plan is in a major financial problem situation, so the nba needs to make this change. it's simply too costly and too unpredictable for any organization to be viable and continue indefinitely with a db plan.

NBA to teams: Replacement refs to start season - ESPN

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The NBA told its teams in a memo Tuesday that it was proceeding forward with plans to use replacement officials in the upcoming season after referees shot down the latest offer from the league.

Locked out NBA referees voted 43-14 to decline the league's proposal, and a changed vote by one member of the union's executive board played a major role in scuttling the deal, ESPN.com learned Tuesday.

The vote took place Sunday in Washington as the league's 57 referees met to review a new offer made by the league last Friday.

Sources told ESPN.com that executive board members Joey Crawford, Bob Delaney and Bill Spooner initially voted to accept the proposal, while officials Steve Javie and Bennett Salvatore gave it a thumbs-down.

But Spooner then switched his vote, the sources said, and the entire body of refs voted 43-14 to decline -- a sequence of events that prompted lead negotiator Lamell McMorris to announce Monday that he was withdrawing from the talks.

Negotiations for the union are now in the hands of McMorris' associate, Brian Lam, and as of 8 p.m. ET Tuesday there had been no further discussions between the league and the union.

ESPN.com also learned details of the concessions made by the NBA in its most recent proposal, made at a secret negotiating session held in Philadelphia last Friday that included deputy commissioner Adam Silver representing the NBA.

The league agreed to cut the number of game assignments given to D-League and WNBA referees from 75 to 50 (it had previously asked for 100), and it made changes to its severance proposal that would have allowed six current referees to retire over the next two seasons with severance checks of $575,000 rather than the $350,000 previously proposed.

Also, referees with fewer than 10 years of service who chose to retire during the proposed two-year labor agreement would be eligible for severance payments from $50,000 to $100,000. The NBA's earlier offers on severance payments excluded that group.

"On Friday of last week, we reached an agreement in principal on the terms of a new two-year collective bargaining agreement with the negotiators for the National Basketball Referees Association," the league told teams in a memo that was obtained by ESPN.com and other news organizations.

"On Sunday night, the membership of the NBRA voted to reject that agreement. As a result, we have no expectation of concluding a timely labor contract with the NBRA, and are proceeding with replacement referees."

The memo continued:

"The agreement in principal reached with the NBRA's negotiators would have resulted in overall savings in the NBA's referee program costs next year of approximately 3.5 percent, plus additional savings from agreed-upon attrition. Modest increases in referee salaries (by 2 percent over two years) would have been offset by decreases in health and welfare benefits, air travel and per diem policies, and playoff compensation. In addition, structural changes would have been made to referee retirement benefits, including converting the existing defined benefit pension plan to a defined contribution plan.
"This is not the first time that commitments made by the NBRA's negotiators were not met. Earlier in the negotiations, NBRA representatives reneged on previously agreed-upon concessions in the areas of pension, severance, and training opportunities for D-League officials," the NBA memo stated.

The contract between the league and its officials expired Sept. 1. The NBA held referees' training camp with replacements last weekend, and three of those officials are now expected to be on the court when preseason play begins Thursday with Denver's game at Utah.
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Guess the dumbasses didn't learn from what happened with MLB umpires a few years back.
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the only disaster will come when the NBA elite start getting the same call that the NBA non-elite get.


Hope it happens.

I'd love to see 100% fair officiating.
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Guess the dumbasses didn't learn from what happened with MLB umpires a few years back.
Sorry, but why are they dumbasses?

They're locked out by the NBA.

Why is it, whenever someone decides to go on strike that all of a sudden a label is placed on them?

As for SJs point. Agreed 100% I'd love to see the game called down the middle.
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I'm not sure it would happen. But one can hope.

I'd LOVE to be the scab thats calls 5 travelling calls on Lebron. Or calls Kobe for two flagrents in a game.

I'd go down firing like mad in the press. Of course that would be my first and last game as an NBA ref, but man, would it ever rock
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The refs in the NFL have absolutely sucked so far this season, and yet the games have been extremely good. Hopefully that kind of thing can happen in the NBA. The big thing is to avoid the blown calls that decide a game decisively. And I'm with everyone in hoping this will mean less management of how games get called.
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what, no one wants to have an in-depth discussion of undefined pension contributions?
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lol. no kidding. this topic is completely
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the only disaster will come when the NBA elite start getting the same call that the NBA non-elite get.


Hope it happens.

I'd love to see 100% fair officiating.
True that, it'd put a nice interesting turn on things. Paul Pierce's obvious flagrant foul on someone 2 years ago when he completely pushed them still stands in my mind still. I'd like to see 100% non-biased officiating.
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Well so far... so bad.

The officiating has been pretty dodgy to say the least, IMO at least (mind you i've only watched parts of three games)

what have been your thoughts?

also if anyone knows anything about if and when this holdout will be resolved, share them in this thread.
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