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Grizz 05-02-2012 05:48 PM

Tyson Chandler wins DPOY
 
New York Knicks' Tyson Chandler wins Defensive Player of the Year - ESPN New York

And yes, it's hilarious Ibaka almost beat him.

Dario 05-02-2012 06:07 PM

And why was this guy not in the Allstar game? ridiculous

Don Vito 05-02-2012 06:09 PM

Dallas probably regrets letting him go, I don't understand why they did in the first place... hes a huge reason why they won a championship.

Grizz 05-02-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 640944)
Dallas probably regrets letting him go, I don't understand why they did in the first place... hes a huge reason why they won a championship.

They're argument is they couldn't afford him, and wanted to be players in free agency this year.

DocHoliday99 05-02-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 640944)
Dallas probably regrets letting him go, I don't understand why they did in the first place... hes a huge reason why they won a championship.

1000%

:tombstone:Dallas' chances of a repeat

DonMughal 05-02-2012 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grizz (Post 640946)
They're argument is they couldn't afford him, and wanted to be players in free agency this year.

This

bjjs 05-02-2012 07:31 PM

I'm actually shocked he won...I didn't think he was very..dominant this year.

Grizz 05-02-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 640978)
I'm actually shocked he won...I didn't think he was very..dominant this year.

From Hollinger's article about his DPOY and All-Defense Teams:
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But let's zoom back out to the big picture and get to the main reason I'm writing about Chandler today: New York's amazing transformation at the defensive end. Chandler wasn't exactly joining the most receptive culture for a defensive game-changer. His new team had two superstars who don't care about defense and a coach who doesn't care about defense. The Knicks have given heavy minutes to others who don't much like defending (Smith) or lack the mobility to do it well (Mike Bibby and Steve Novak).

Yet there is New York, ranking fifth in defensive efficiency.

The Knicks, we'll remind you, were 21st in this category a year ago. And, although other changes have helped -- most notably drafting perimeter antagonist Iman Shumpert -- it's really been Chandler who has changed everything.

And this time around, we really should have expected it, given that:

He was the main defensive catalyst in Dallas the season before, when the Mavs improved on defense from 12th to seventh and ended up winning the title.

A year earlier in Charlotte, although he missed 31 games with injuries, he was a key piece on a Bobcats squad that led the league in defensive efficiency (did, too).

Before that, in New Orleans, he and the Hornets were a top-10 defensive team in consecutive seasons with Chandler and a whole lot of not much else.

And before that, in Chicago, a young Chandler led the Bulls to the No. 2 mark in defense in 2004-05.

rapsmannn 05-03-2012 08:29 PM

for me lebron james had the best defensive season, its really a toss up between howard, lebron, and chandler every year in my opinion

but this year i thought lebron was dominate in the regular season on the defensive end

carp 05-03-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 641192)
While I understand the debate for LeBron as DPOY, I don't think people realize just how dominant Tyson was this year. The two games against Miami have been subpar for him as he's battling a flu.

Knicks were always a bad defensive team. Getting guys like Melo/JR/Novak/Baron/Amar'e wasn't going to help that. Other than Tyson, the only other good defender is Iman Shumpert. And to think, Tyson takes this group of bad individual defenders and transforms them into the 5th best defensive team this season? That's unheard of. Miami is just above the Knicks at 4th on the defensive rankings. At that point I would look at the LeBron's supporting cast, which is FILLED with good/great defenders. Wade, Haslem, Chalmers, Battier, Joel Anthony. Even guys like Mike Miller, Bosh, Turiaf are capable defenders, especially when they are inserted in the right lineup.

I think that's why Tyson won this award...because he basically single handedly transformed the Knicks from a mediocre/poor defensive team to an elite one.

You couldn't be more right. NYK were brutal defensively before he got there.

ClutchCity 05-03-2012 08:42 PM

While I understand the debate for LeBron as DPOY, I don't think people realize just how dominant Tyson was this year. The two games against Miami have been subpar for him as he's battling a flu.

Knicks were always a bad defensive team. Getting guys like Melo/JR/Novak/Baron/Amar'e wasn't going to help that. Other than Tyson, the only other good defender is Iman Shumpert. And to think, Tyson takes this group of bad individual defenders and transforms them into the 5th best defensive team this season? That's unheard of. Miami is just above the Knicks at 4th on the defensive rankings. At that point I would look at LeBron's supporting cast, which is FILLED with good/great defenders. Wade, Haslem, Chalmers, Battier, Joel Anthony are all very good defensively. Even guys like Mike Miller, Bosh, Turiaf are capable defenders, especially when they are inserted in the right lineup.

I think that's why Tyson won this award...because he basically single handedly transformed the Knicks from a mediocre/poor defensive team to an elite one.

Bill Haverchuck 05-03-2012 10:43 PM

A couple of interrelated points regarding Chandler and the Mavs:

1- I think you can make a case that Dallas, at least in theory, made a reasonable move by letting Chandler walk. Why? Their defensive rating ranking didn't change after he left. They remained the 8th best defense in the league.

Why has Dallas slipped? Offense. Their offensive rating has dropped dramatically from last season. And you can see it when you watch the games. There were stretches this year where they really struggled to score. But I think you can make a good case that, had Odom not shit the bed, the offense could have been much better. Personally, for this year's Dallas team, I'd take Odom playing at 2011 level over Chander playing at 2011 or 2012 level, just because of what Dallas really needs. If Odom had been playing at 2011 level, he could have picked up some of the slack for Dirk who is not quite as beastly this year.

2- on that note, given that the Mavs' defensive rating didn't even drop from last year, I question how much of the credit should have gone to Chandler last season. I totally agree that he is a good defensive player, but I'm not sure he was as important as Hollinger suggests. Correlation or causation?

Bill Haverchuck 05-03-2012 10:47 PM

Oh, and as for that 2004-2005 squad, I'd argue that Scott motherfucking Skiles deserves a load of credit. Wherever Skiles goes, he turns the team into a top 3 defensive squad within a season. He did the same thing in Milwaukee, too. His first year he took the Bucks from the bottom to middle of the pack; then to 2nd overall his next season.

LOG 05-03-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 641223)
A couple of interrelated points regarding Chandler and the Mavs:

1- I think you can make a case that Dallas, at least in theory, made a reasonable move by letting Chandler walk. Why? Their defensive rating ranking didn't change after he left. They remained the 8th best defense in the league.

Why has Dallas slipped? Offense. Their offensive rating has dropped dramatically from last season. And you can see it when you watch the games. There were stretches this year where they really struggled to score. But I think you can make a good case that, had Odom not shit the bed, the offense could have been much better. Personally, for this year's Dallas team, I'd take Odom playing at 2011 level over Chander playing at 2011 or 2012 level, just because of what Dallas really needs. If Odom had been playing at 2011 level, he could have picked up some of the slack for Dirk who is not quite as beastly this year.

2- on that note, given that the Mavs' defensive rating didn't even drop from last year, I question how much of the credit should have gone to Chandler last season. I totally agree that he is a good defensive player, but I'm not sure he was as important as Hollinger suggests. Correlation or causation?

That doesn't necessarily prove that Chandler wasn't a major part in Dallas defense. Maybe they got better defensively as a team overall, minus Chandlers contributions (that's why they remained at 8). Maybe Defense was emphasized more this year, because they lost Chandler

Bill Haverchuck 05-03-2012 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 641227)
That doesn't necessarily prove that Chandler wasn't a major part in Dallas defense.

I know that. I said I "question" how much credit he is given. I'm not entirely sold the other way.

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Maybe they got better defensively as a team overall, minus Chandlers contributions (that's why they remained at 8). Maybe Defense was emphasized more this year, because they lost Chandler
Maybe. The point remains that they were able to be a very solid defensive team without him, which suggests to me that, arguably, it was reasonable to decline paying him $14.5 million a year. Especially when nobody knew Odom would shit the bed so hard.

ClutchCity 05-03-2012 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 641233)
I know that. I said I "question" how much credit he is given. I'm not entirely sold the other way.



Maybe. The point remains that they were able to be a very solid defensive team without him, which suggests to me that, arguably, it was reasonable to decline paying him $14.5 million a year. Especially when nobody knew Odom would shit the bed so hard.

I think Mitch did ;)

As for not re-signing Chandler, if it means getting Deron and another mega star (maybe Dwight) then it is justified. I think getting Odom hurt their salary situation a little bit if they want to get two super stars. It's still possible but it's difficult. Mitch strikes again.

Bill Haverchuck 05-03-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 641245)
I think Mitch did ;)

haha

Maybe. If the reports are true though, he was mostly concerned with finding someone willing to take him without wanting to send salary back, which is why he caved and agreed to send him to Dallas for the pick.

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As for not re-signing Chandler, if it means getting Deron and another mega star (maybe Dwight) then it is justified. I think getting Odom hurt their salary situation a little bit if they want to get two super stars. It's still possible but it's difficult. Mitch strikes again.
I think it's justified even if they only get one of Deron or Dwight (Especially D12).

bjjs 05-04-2012 12:21 AM

I just don't see the difference between Chandler and Noah, Ibaka, D12, Duncan, Bynum, Perkins, etc.

Great defensive big man, and in the top 5 probably at defending the paint...but what did he do to distinguish himself from the rest of the pack? If he did something exceptional, I must of missed it.

The Knicks have played great TEAM defense under Woodson. Smith, Melo, they're all playing fantastic defense. Which is what Chandler needs - he plays great position defense. He's just like Perkins.

I thought Lebron and Ibaka had exceptional years defensively.

It's probably the silliest award of them all. It's a contest between the top 8-10 centers in the league. 25 years - 23 big men.

bjjs 05-04-2012 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 641193)
You couldn't be more right. NYK were brutal defensively before he got there.

Chandler was invisible when he got to NYK - Linsanity turned everything around and the team started playing together, offense and defense. Then Woodson got the team playing really great defense - with Chandler the defensive leader.

'trane 05-04-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 641223)

Why has Dallas slipped? Offense. Their offensive rating has dropped dramatically from last season. And you can see it when you watch the games. There were stretches this year where they really struggled to score.

shooting 30% tonight, and getting their asses handed to them.

knicks too.


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