TrueHoop - a bunch of ideas to fix tanking
Old 09-08-2013, 08:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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It was tank week all last week at truehoop. A lot of ideas were presented. Too much to pick a few to post here. I strongly suggest hitting the link and at least skimming though all the entries.

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Old 09-08-2013, 09:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The idea I like best is the one where teams get ranked by how many wins they get after they've been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

No system is going to be perfect but I sure hate the current tanking system which is ripping off fans. That game where Uzoh got a triple double because the Nets refused to play with any effort is burned in my brain as an example of the kind of bullshit that fans shouldn't have to swallow.

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Great article.

I think it would be interesting if lottery position should be weighted on an average of ranking in the standings over the previous 3 -4 years (not wins), with slightly more weight given to the current year. That way if you want to tank for a Wiggins, well you better know 3-4 years in advance, which is impossible, and who wants to suck for 3-4 years (yes I realize the irony here being a Raptors fan ).

Then again... maybe the draft positions would stay 95% the same in that system. It may stop a team like the Celtics from doing the repulsive thing they are doing.

Or weight the draft equal percentage from 1-5, 5-9, 10-14 and you have and equalt chance of any of those picks if you land in that group, but if you finish 6th you don't have a chance at 1-5.

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Old 09-09-2013, 04:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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What about making it equal chance for all those teams who don't make playoffs? It's far from perfect coz it may help some fairly strong teams, (tho it won't help the best,) but it would ensure maximum effort from all teams. Nobody will want to drop out of playoffs for a 1 in 14 chance and no point in being the worst. And rebuilds would be proper rebuilds instead of rebuild/tank.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:20 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The idea I like best is the one where teams get ranked by how many wins they get after they've been mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

No system is going to be perfect but I sure hate the current tanking system which is ripping off fans. That game where Uzoh got a triple double because the Nets refused to play with any effort is burned in my brain as an example of the kind of bullshit that fans shouldn't have to swallow.

The cure for tanking - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN
I think this is very unfair to the Eastern conference. The East has ~35 wins teams making the playoffs some years, and the West tends to have crazy competitive years. That means that a crappy West team like lets say the Suns will get mathematically eliminated very early. Earlier than the Bobcats or the 76ers, even if those teams are worse. So the Suns will have a massive advantage and will probably get the no.1 pick.

And then you look long term. If the West keeps getting no.1 picks, that conference will get better and better, and it will be easier and easier for West "tankers" to keep getting good picks. It's a circle.

Anyway, I don't think this eliminates tanking. It still makes sense to build a poor Suns type team. Get "mathematically eliminated" as early as possible. Play youngsters and scrubs, if you have to, "let your best players recover." If you get eliminated with 20+ games left, you'll have a huge chance to win the no.1 pick.

This idea does remove blatant tanking at the very end of the season. But there will be blatant tanking earlier in the season instead. Every bad team will want to get mathematically eliminated and start working on their draft position.

I think it encourages a true disgusting tank. Lets say you are the Suns. Gortat missed much of last year with an injury. Why rush him back? Let him "recover" or limit his minutes to 20-25 a night. Play Dragic-Bledsoe-Gerald Green-Marcus Morris-Markieff Morris and some D-League players. Start the season 5-50, get eliminated. Then at the deadline make some "youngsters for vets" trades, give Gortat big minutes, win some games. Get Wiggins.
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Yeah the equal chance isn't great either. You will see teams that should be an 8th seed tanking for 9th because they view that as a wasted year. And if the OKC squad that took the lakers to 7 games came 9th and won the lotto? I think that was the year blake got picked. Durant/Westbrook/Blake? You don't even need harden
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Yeah the equal chance isn't great either. You will see teams that should be an 8th seed tanking for 9th because they view that as a wasted year. And if the OKC squad that took the lakers to 7 games came 9th and won the lotto? I think that was the year blake got picked. Durant/Westbrook/Blake? You don't even need harden
You think teams would tank out of the playoffs? I'm not ruling it out but I was hoping/thinking not. You lose out on revenue, exposure, valuable experience for a 14-1 shot? On average for a 7th pick?

I woulda thought okc taking lakers to 7 games would be an advert not to as well? Also, when you tank out and get 10-14th, ouch, gotta hurt and make you think twice.
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If tanking didn't work, teams wouldn't do it.

Team 1st, fans 2nd. This is what is and what will always be in the NBA.
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If tanking didn't work, teams wouldn't do it.

Team 1st, fans 2nd. This is what is and what will always be in the NBA.
+1 (unfortunately )
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