Top talents who never fullfilled their potential
Old 02-09-2013, 10:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Who are some guys that have not met expectations due to motivation, lack of will or injury etc? Guys who have had hall of fame or superior talent, yet failed to achieve much for a long period of time.

In no particular order:

1. Tracy McGrady

2. Vince Carter

3. Andrea Bargnani

4. Brandon Roy

5. Greg Oden

6. Steve Francis

7. Gilbert Arenas

8. Hasheem Thabeet

9. Stephon Marbury

10. Kwame Brown

11. Eddy Curry

12. Michael Beasley

13. Yao Ming




Who wasted the most talent? IMO VC.

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Vince, T-Mac, Arenas, Yao, Francis and Marbury were all dominant players for a time.

I wouldn't say that they "failed to reach their potential".

They just didn't have the staying power due to injury or mental instability.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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so royce white would fall into this category, but this is a very broad topic at hand. some players, like what ToRaps stated, fell from grace because of injury, personality, pressure to meet social standing and/or a mix of everything, we can't really see who is successful or not.

by the way, define a player who met expectations? a player who is well-honed in all-around skills like kobe, lebron, larry, jordan and magic? or just a dude who just had the heart and put in everything every night like barkley or rodman? is it their own personal goal they met? or the expectations of the GMs that drafted them?

i think dejaun wagner was a very good player, unfortunately heart problems (i think it was his heart) affected him, and in a league that demands results right away from prospects, he was easy to let go. he had no control over the condition of his heart, but i persoanlly don't think he failed any expectations.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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one could also take into consideration the cocaine crackdown that stern unleashed in the 80s as an improvement of the status of the NBA. Players would show up to games absolutely high as a kite and burnt out and because of harsh punishment from the officials and the law, players' careers would take a huge beating and would just flat out end because of the penalties.

most of these players were in the teen years, or early 20s, were they just failures? or did the new system being implemented had little remorse for offenders and did not feel the need to educate them because NBA talent is so easy to replace?

(I could even consider len bias, that's just mucking around in the deep end of a discussion)
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Vince, T-Mac, Arenas, Yao, Francis and Marbury were all dominant players for a time.

I wouldn't say that they "failed to reach their potential".

They just didn't have the staying power due to injury or mental instability.
Like I said a "long period of time."
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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well the only thing Vince lacked was motivation, but most of his career was successful
from 1999-2008 he average 20 or more points a game, career avg of 21.0 ppg, 21750 total points and is 12th all time in 3 point shooting.. he is close to all of fame material

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:42 PM   #7 (permalink)
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T-Mac= 2 scoring titles, 7x all-star, 2x All NBA 1st team

VC= 8x NBA all-star, rookie of the year, All NBA 2nd team, 21,750pts scored


^ Very good careers and don't belong on that list imo.


Out of that list i would say: Brown, Oden, Thabeet, Beasley, Francis, Bargs, Curry
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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by the way, define a player who met expectations? a player who is well-honed in all-around skills like kobe, lebron, larry, jordan and magic? or just a dude who just had the heart and put in everything every night like barkley or rodman? is it their own personal goal they met? or the expectations of the GMs that drafted them?
The expectations of the team responsible for getting them. All those guys met expectations and will be in or already are in the HOF.
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T-Mac= 2 scoring titles, 7x all-star, 2x All NBA 1st team

VC= 8x NBA all-star, rookie of the year, All NBA 2nd team, 2175pts scored


^ Very good careers and don't belong on that list imo.


Out of that list i would say: Brown, Oden, Thabeet, Beasley, Francis, Bargs, Curry
I think they do, remember when people were comparing VC to MJ? And rightfully so, his talent and greatness was out of this world. After he figured out he wasn't happy in Toronto, he went from great to good.

T-Mac's case I would say injuries derailed his career. It's not his fault, but in the end he didn't have a long enough career full of his capability to be considered a hall of fame player.
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T-Mac= 2 scoring titles, 7x all-star, 2x All NBA 1st team

VC= 8x NBA all-star, rookie of the year, All NBA 2nd team, 21,750pts scored


^ Very good careers and don't belong on that list imo.


Out of that list i would say: Brown, Oden, Thabeet, Beasley, Francis, Bargs, Curry
I'd agree with that list.

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I think they do, remember when people were comparing VC to MJ? And rightfully so, his talent and greatness was out of this world. After he figured out he wasn't happy in Toronto, he went from great to good.
Not true.... Vince was great in NJ. He actually avgd close to 27/6/5 for the rest of the season (55 games) after he was first dealt. And then avgd 24/gm and 25/gm in the 2 seasons after that. And then another 2 seasons with 20 per.

As much as I hate him... he was damn good.... when he wanted to be.

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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how is Hasheem Thabeet a 'top talent'?
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I dont consider guys like Thabeet and Brown for this topic because I dont think theyre that talented to ever have a peak where they could have become a great player or even a good player.

The first name that popped into my head was Rasheed Wallace. He was really really good in Portland during the early years, but he could have been even better. And honestly, he had the best post game of any bigman in the NBA with his combination of moves, length, footwork, and skill. He had a face up game, and he was one of the best defensive bigs I think of all time. But just focusing on offence, he could have averaged 26-28 PPG if he wanted it. He was that skilled, moreso than KG and Duncan IMO.

VC is the second name to come to mind, because unlike Sheed it wasnt the mentality of not wanting to be the guy so much as it was his work ethic in the offseason. He could have been better than Kobe if he had even a sniff of Kobes drive to be the best.

Curry, Oden, and Yao are the other ones I think of as well.

Currys offensive game in NY was nearly impossible to stop before he turned into a pure fatass, but he had no desire to use the same footwork on the defensive end to become a factor.

Oden could have changed the Western conference if he had stayed healthy. I guess you can include Roy as well, but at least Roy got in a few years where he was dominant before succumbing to injuries. If Oden had stayed healthy, I think he'd be considered the best bigman in the NBA right now.

And to the last point, if Yao had stayed healthy, he would have been the #1 bigman above Oden, but it's nearly impossible for a man of that size to stay healthy unfortunately for any length of time. Its a shame too because Yaos offensive game was unstoppable, and his defensive game caught up with his offensive game before he had to retire. He was fantastic in his final years.
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I'd agree with that list.



Not true.... Vince was great in NJ. He actually avgd close to 27/6/5 for the rest of the season (55 games) after he was first dealt. And then avgd 24/gm and 25/gm in the 2 seasons after that. And then another 2 seasons with 20 per.

As much as I hate him... he was damn good.... when he wanted to be.
My point being he could've easily been a top 20 or top 15 player if not better. Sure he had great days in NJ, but going back to your last line, he could've been one of the best. He definitely won't even be close now when he calls it quits..
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how is Hasheem Thabeet a 'top talent'?
True but I meant when it came to expectations. Same with Marvin Williams. Guess they might not be in this category. Just extremely high picks.
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Sam Bowie should be near the top of the list considering who he was taken ahead of.
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As a kid, I remember watching the program Preps, which followed Eddy Curry - the next big thing - in high school. TV lied to me. Michael Beasley is a another guy who had studly tools, but failed to produce. Yes, I talk about him like he's a thing of the past. These are the kind of players I think of. Guys with ideal tools and athletic gifts, but little desire to exercise them fully.

I think Shaq could have challenged for the G.O.A.T if he accepted Rick Barry's offer to teach him the underhand free throw. Too bad Shaq was worried that shooting granny would hurt his hip hop image. So, IMO, if Shaq was more concerned about being a basketball player as opposed to a genie, it could have resulted in twice as many rings. I'm not knocking Shaq. He had a great career, left an indelible legacy and probably had as much fun as possible. Just think he could have been even better. Like, the greatest of all time. Maybe.
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most of those players on that list are guys who performed at there highest level but suffered injuries

mcgrady, ming, roy, arenas

another guys career ended before it started in oden never geting a fair shake health wise

then there is the headcasae guys who cant get out of ther own way, francis, marbury

then you got gm mistakes who fall in love with players or owners who make gms draft players, thabeet, kwame brown, and eddy curry

then you got three guys who fall into top talents who have the capability of being a beast, allstar every year but dont

andrea bargnani, vince carter, and beasley, all three guys possess amazing skill and athletic ability, they can do things on the court that most guys cant, andrea as leo alway says that a 7 footer doing that or vince Carter athletic beast with extreme skill, and beasley a 6-9 who can score from anywhere on the court, big strong, can do it all but well just doesnt do it on the court
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Too bad Shaq was worried that shooting granny would hurt his hip hop image. it could have resulted in twice as many rings. I'm not knocking Shaq. Just think he could have been even better. Like, the greatest of all time. Maybe.

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shaq would have been the greatest player of all time if he threw underhand freethrows

you heard it here first
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shaq would have been the greatest player of all time if he threw underhand freethrows

you heard it here first
Being 7-1 330-350. Shaq could have been a top 3 rebounder as well. He should have gotten so many more offensive rebounds but he didn't
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I don't know if he quite qualifies, but Isaiah Rider is the first player that came to mind.
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