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jeffb 06-20-2011 11:17 PM

Top 10 Biggest busts in NBA draft history
 
Top 10 NBA Draft Busts

1. Oden
2. Milicic
3. Olowokandi
4. S.Bradley
5. Morrison
6. Fizer
7. Bowie
8. K. Brown
9. Araujo
10.Bender

Agree?

pzabby 06-20-2011 11:19 PM

i wouldnt put oden as the number one in all of history..

jeffb 06-20-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 550518)
i wouldnt put oden as the number one in all of history..

He's up there in the top 3 imo.

Don Vito 06-20-2011 11:27 PM

Oden is a great player held down by injuries. If you want to call him a bust because of injuries then I guess that is a fair assessment. Other than that he isn't a bust, he has the skill/body to be the best center in the NBA beside Dwight Howard.

jeffb 06-20-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 550522)
Oden is a great player held down by injuries. If you want to call him a bust because of injuries then I guess that is a fair assessment. Other than that he isn't a bust, he has the skill/body to be the best center in the NBA beside Dwight Howard.

He's barely played in the NBA, is broken beyond repair, looks 100 and was picked ahead of Durant, Horford. BUST!

Aamir 06-21-2011 12:07 AM

Why isn't Kwame Brown top 3.

pzabby 06-21-2011 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 550523)
He's barely played in the NBA, is broken beyond repair, looks 100 and was picked ahead of Durant, Horford. BUST!

broken and bust, as said earlier in the thread are two different things. if he had gotten the chance to develop he could have been the next shaq (offence wise) and somewhat shaq defensively.

Northern Neighbour 06-21-2011 12:36 AM

Olowokandi and Kwame Brown should be #2 and #3. #1 probably should be Larue Martin. Who is he? I don't know, but I looked at past drafts and he was the #1 overall pick in 1972.

Oden is probably in the top-10, although it's hard to fault a guy for being injured. If he just flat out underperformed and stunk, like Olowokandi, Brown, and Martin, then I could understand why he would be at the top. But he hasn't stunk when he has played, albeit very little, while the other three have been or were brutal.

finstock 06-21-2011 03:24 AM

Oden is a rare talent, who just happens to be unfit for the NBA grind. I define busts as players with immense talent, worthy of a high selection, who became complacent. In other words, they failed to pan out under their own volition; see Len Bias (too soon). A lot of these guys were simply misjudged by NBA brass and don't deserve censure.

Bill Haverchuck 06-21-2011 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 550521)
He's up there in the top 3 imo.

No, Jeff.

1 - We don't know for sure that Oden's career is over yet, so it's premature to say that, given what he showed just before he got hurt. He was playing well the season he got hurt. He was a block machine, and he also altered all kinds of shots.

2 - Even if Oden does not return, there are some other more worthy candidates for the top 3. And if you're going to take into account the talent that was drafted after Oden (ie. Durant), then you need to do the same for other picks.

Sam Bowie. He hardly did anything. The next 3 players selected after him were MJ, Sam Perkins, and Charles Barkley.

Darko. He has hardly done anything. Unlike Oden, he has not shown signs of becoming an all-star or all defensive team player. The next 3 players selected after him were Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade.

Kwame. He has hardly done anything. The next 2 players selected after him were Tyson Chandler and Pau Gasol.

Olowokandi Did very little. Was selected 1st in an extremely deep draft. Mike Bibby, Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce and more were selected after him.

If Oden can get back to 75% health and play 65+ games for 3 or 4 seasons, I think he can still have a more productive career than Kwame, Darko, and Olowokandi.

Nites 06-21-2011 05:33 AM

http://krod.com/shattered-backboard/

Hoffa


dfunkie1 06-21-2011 08:34 AM

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Sam Bowie. He hardly did anything. The next 3 players selected after him were MJ, Sam Perkins, and Charles Barkley.
if oden gets a pass from his health, so does bowie. personally, i think injuries should exempt players from these lists. i think it's unfair to have these guys on it and never see a player like jay williams even mentioned. i mean, their magnitude of bust wasn't self inflicted by their own stupidity like his was. plus, there's enough haffa's, sweetney's and swifts out there who could barely survive their rookie contacts that could fill theses lists instead of players who will have solid 10+ year careers.

jeffb 06-21-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Haverchuck (Post 550570)
No, Jeff.

1 - We don't know for sure that Oden's career is over yet, so it's premature to say that, given what he showed just before he got hurt. He was playing well the season he got hurt. He was a block machine, and he also altered all kinds of shots.

2 - Even if Oden does not return, there are some other more worthy candidates for the top 3. And if you're going to take into account the talent that was drafted after Oden (ie. Durant), then you need to do the same for other picks.

Sam Bowie. He hardly did anything. The next 3 players selected after him were MJ, Sam Perkins, and Charles Barkley.

Darko. He has hardly done anything. Unlike Oden, he has not shown signs of becoming an all-star or all defensive team player. The next 3 players selected after him were Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade.

Kwame. He has hardly done anything. The next 2 players selected after him were Tyson Chandler and Pau Gasol.

Olowokandi Did very little. Was selected 1st in an extremely deep draft. Mike Bibby, Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce and more were selected after him.

If Oden can get back to 75% health and play 65+ games for 3 or 4 seasons, I think he can still have a more productive career than Kwame, Darko, and Olowokandi.


So you think he can come back at 75% and last 3-4 seasons?

Bill Haverchuck 06-21-2011 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth (Post 550588)
if oden gets a pass from his health, so does bowie. personally, i think injuries should exempt players from these lists. i think it's unfair to have these guys on it and never see a player like jay williams even mentioned. i mean, their magnitude of bust wasn't self inflicted by their own stupidity like his was. plus, there's enough haffa's, sweetney's and swifts out there who could barely survive their rookie contacts that could fill theses lists instead of players who will have solid 10+ year careers.

Fair enough. I would simply have put Bowie ahead of Oden, since Bowie played quite a few more games than Oden and at least had some chance to show his game. But overall I agree with what you're saying.

Darko, Kwame, Kandi-man are all ahead of Oden, though, in terms of what I was saying to Jeff.

P.S.

re: Swift

He should be on the list instead of Fizer. Swift went 2nd! The majority of that 2000 lottery was really crappy.

hontoni 06-21-2011 10:37 AM

Where is Bargs on the list :cookie:

Bill Haverchuck 06-21-2011 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 550598)
So you think he can come back at 75% and last 3-4 seasons?

I don't know. That's not my main point. I said IF he could do that, he could have a more productive career than someone like Darko or 'Kandi-man. The point is/was, Oden showed enough defensive potential in the 20 games he started in 2009/10, that even at 75%, he would be more productive. It's an indictment of how much those other guys failed to come through, as much as it is a statement about Oden.

Someguy again 06-21-2011 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 550523)
He's barely played in the NBA, is broken beyond repair, looks 100 and was picked ahead of Durant, Horford. BUST!

never knew looks was a factor

jeffb 06-21-2011 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Someguy again (Post 550629)
never knew looks was a factor

It doesn't, I just threw that in there. At the same time he's as frail as a 100yr old. He looks older then retired 50-60yr old players. Lol

Superjudge 06-21-2011 12:15 PM

I dunno...

I have a hard time calling injured guys Busts.

I'm more thinking guys that just end up to be terrible or short lived in the league for other reasons....

Guys like Harold Minor or Hoffa.

INSIDER 06-21-2011 01:08 PM

for me, a bust should be considered a player who is in and out of the league within a few years.
and it shouldnt matter who was picked after the bust... that shouldnt be a factor when deciding if a specific player is a bust. its the player that did poorly, it shouldnt matter how well someone who was picked after him did.

injuries shouldnt make a player a bust either... thats out of their control.


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