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Old 12-26-2011, 03:15 AM   #201 (permalink)
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no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.

no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.

no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.


i repeated that 3 times to make sure you are clear about it.


the issues that have recently been discussed here have been whether or not he is better than paul ( Boston offering Rondo for Paul ) and whether or not he is better than westbrook (this thread).

the main points in those threads have been his limited offensive game, his inconsistency and his playoff reluctance to shoot in clutch situations. it's not just bad games, as we have seen from almost every star, but an aversion to being 'the man' when the clutch situations arise. you really think kobe has ever shied away from the spotlight? you really want to make that claim? because rondo definitely has, and this is a major question mark. and boston's willingness to look into trading him is a pretty clear example of addressing this serious concern.

is he better than westbrook? i dunno. that's a question that can be looked at from a lot of angles. but game 1 of the season is certainly no proof either way. and this is why you are jumping after game 1 again.


and a Bargnani comparsion? red herring. please.

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Thank you 'trane for clearing that up.

I don't have anything against you TORap, but sometimes you seem to misinterpret a poster's arguments...I've seen you do it many times. This is a clear example of that. Yes, Rondo is a very good PG. I'm not taking anything away from that or saying he's not an elite PG, because HE IS. I just think he's a level below Paul/D-Will/Rose. If you disagree, that's your opinion, just like this is mine. One game against the Knicks' shitty transition defence isn't going to change my opinion on Rondo. And it shouldn't. And yes, I have watched Rondo. I tend to watch my rival teams (Miami/Boston/Dallas etc.) just as much as my real teams.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:21 AM   #203 (permalink)
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He had 22 points and they only connected twice all game. When the Clippers start employing their pick and roll as their primary play a lot more as the season goes on thats when youll see both of them explode. The Chauncey taking a gazillion shots example from today isnt going to happen a lot this season. I was honestly surprised they only ran screen roll like 6 times this game.

PS CP3 is the best PG in the league.
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Old 12-26-2011, 11:45 AM   #204 (permalink)
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no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.

no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.

no one is saying he isn't a star, or even one of the best pg's in the league.


i repeated that 3 times to make sure you are clear about it.


the issues that have recently been discussed here have been whether or not he is better than paul ( Boston offering Rondo for Paul ) and whether or not he is better than westbrook (this thread).

the main points in those threads have been his limited offensive game, his inconsistency and his playoff reluctance to shoot in clutch situations. it's not just bad games, as we have seen from almost every star, but an aversion to being 'the man' when the clutch situations arise. you really think kobe has ever shied away from the spotlight? you really want to make that claim? because rondo definitely has, and this is a major question mark. and boston's willingness to look into trading him is a pretty clear example of addressing this serious concern.

is he better than westbrook? i dunno. that's a question that can be looked at from a lot of angles. but game 1 of the season is certainly no proof either way. and this is why you are jumping after game 1 again.


and a Bargnani comparsion? red herring. please.
Why would we expect Rondo to "be the man" in clutch situations when he plays with 3 HOFers (1 of whom is a gifted 1-on-1 player)?

Rondo's a PG. His job is to distribute the ball. That's it as far as I'm concerned. Over the past decade or so we've seen a trend towards PGs who carry the offense and a greater part of the scoring load (CP3, Williams, Westbrook, Parker). That doesn't mean that that is the ONLY way for the game to be played at that position. Jason Kidd has made a career out of "doing everything on the floor" while being a spotty shooter.

I can understand people's love for Paul... but the infatuation for Westbrook will always puzzle me. He's certainly talented and athletic but his decision-making is questionable at best and he plays far too out of control for my taste.

I still don't know where you're coming from with this "jumping the gun" angle either... because I haven't said anything here so far that I haven't said for YEARS.

Are you going to call me out for loving Deandre Jordan's 8 blks against GS as well? Even though I've been crowing about the guy for more than a year now?
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:00 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Thank you 'trane for clearing that up.

I don't have anything against you TORap, but sometimes you seem to misinterpret a poster's arguments...I've seen you do it many times. This is a clear example of that. Yes, Rondo is a very good PG. I'm not taking anything away from that or saying he's not an elite PG, because HE IS. I just think he's a level below Paul/D-Will/Rose. If you disagree, that's your opinion, just like this is mine. One game against the Knicks' shitty transition defence isn't going to change my opinion on Rondo. And it shouldn't. And yes, I have watched Rondo. I tend to watch my rival teams (Miami/Boston/Dallas etc.) just as much as my real teams.
For the record, this is all I've ever looked for from ANY poster when it comes to discussing players. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that statement.

You might THINK that I "misinterpret" people's arguments but all I really do is call them out and attempt to force them to justify their apparent disdain for a player. This really isn't anything new. I've been arguing with people for YEARS about this kind of stuff. From Bosh.... to Marion... to Noah... to Rondo.... to Joel Anthony.... to Deandre Jordan and McGee. I've made no secret over the years that I hold these players in high regard and think that they bring A LOT to the table. I've always stated why and backed up my opinions with either stats or game film data. I don't just pull these opinions out of my ass.

Do you remember how much flak I took last season for mentioning that I thought Joel Anthony was actually a quality player in the Heat's rotation? Do you remember what the general response was? "ZOMG THAT SCRUB???" Do you remember how many people thought Marion was washed up went he left PHX and that he wasn't worth more than the MLE any more? Think the Mavs are glad that they made that investment?

As annoying as it is, I don't mind the arguments though because (contrary to popular belief) there ARE posters out there who agree with a lot of the views that I have (bjjs, LX, SJ to name a few). I guess I'm just the most vocal for the most part.
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The problem with Rondo is he's ineffective in the 4th in close games because the lanes close down and he doesn't want to take the jumper, which basically makes him a pick and roll passer 100% of the time and completely predictable. He's not a threat when the game is tight which is why they always go to Pierce in crunchtime to handle the ball. The only offence they got late in the 4th yesterday was pick and roll spot ups for KG from 20 feet out.

Rondo will never be a top flight PG like Deron CP and Rose until he has enough confidence in his jumper to take the shots late in the game, and of course, make them. That's his next step as a player in to superstardom, but I dont think he'll ever make the jump.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:03 PM   #207 (permalink)
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i'm calling you out for coming on after one game and saying 'i hope these guys saw this', because that's exactly what you did, and no one said he was unable to do that - thus my point about re-framing the debate. if you want to see the whole conversation about being 'the man', go back and re-read the paul-rondo thread i linked above. people were abundantly clear there.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:31 PM   #208 (permalink)
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I'll take CP3 to run my team every day of the week over Rose. Pauls decision making and efficiency put him over the top IMO.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:18 PM   #209 (permalink)
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:18 PM   #210 (permalink)
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i'm calling you out for coming on after one game and saying 'i hope these guys saw this', because that's exactly what you did, and no one said he was unable to do that - thus my point about re-framing the debate. if you want to see the whole conversation about being 'the man', go back and re-read the paul-rondo thread i linked above. people were abundantly clear there.
So no one said that Rondo had become "completely predictable" offensively?

I'm flabbergasted that he could rack up the numbers that he did against any NBA team if that's really the case.

You're really making something out of nothing IMO. As I said to Clutch... if people had come out and said "Rondo brings a lot of things to the table but he's just not my cup of tea... I like PGs who are better offensively".... I wouldn't have said anything at all. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case.
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The problem with Rondo is he's ineffective in the 4th in close games because the lanes close down and he doesn't want to take the jumper, which basically makes him a pick and roll passer 100% of the time and completely predictable. He's not a threat when the game is tight which is why they always go to Pierce in crunchtime to handle the ball. The only offence they got late in the 4th yesterday was pick and roll spot ups for KG from 20 feet out.

Rondo will never be a top flight PG like Deron CP and Rose until he has enough confidence in his jumper to take the shots late in the game, and of course, make them. That's his next step as a player in to superstardom, but I dont think he'll ever make the jump.
He's a top flight PG right now IMO. To this point he hasn't had to carry an offense (scoring-wise) the way that Rose or CP3 have, but his contributions in other areas of the game make up for it.

Rondo's not a "sexy PG" like those other guys. He won't make the highlight reels as often. I'll take his toughness and his smarts any day though and rely on him to improve his jumper as his career goes on. I'd rather take my chances with that than with a bonehead like Westbrook who has all the talent in the world but lacks basic PG smarts.

I'm really curious to see how far Paul can lead the Clips this season. I'm expecting at least the WC finals TBH based on the talent at his disposal.
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Now, what the fuck is a sexy PG...
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Dunking, 3pt shooting, flashy passing dude.
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RUBIO TEARING IT UP!!!
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0 points, 4 assist, 3 rebounds, 2 fouls in 11 minutes = tearing it up
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if you had seen the assist you would agree
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They were 5 in 3 minutes or so btw, thats why I said not anymore. Still looks pretty good in his first game.
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