There is no such thing as a offensive foul in pick-up basketball

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Old 05-14-2010, 12:50 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 05-14-2010, 12:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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false. there is such a thing.

but to try to draw one is weak. bowling ball basketball and swinging elbows doesn't fly, but neither does flopping.
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In pick-up ball, it'd have to be a pretty obvious offensive call for someone to call it

otherwise you'd just look like a pussy
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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No matter what there isn't. Unless you get like sacked
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Unless you are playing with a bunch of very nice and honest fellows...
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false. there is such a thing.

but to try to draw one is weak. bowling ball basketball and swinging elbows doesn't fly, but neither does flopping.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:12 AM   #7 (permalink)
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no such thing...

and if someone is douche bag enough to elbow you, you just lebow them back....harder....at least, thats how it works with people i play with..
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I`ve never called an offensive foul in pick-up. Never even thought about it. If someone is bringing elbows, you block the elbows. If someone is charging into you, you take the contact and give it right back to him.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:20 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The foul is the get back which is usually worse a knee in the groin.
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Old 05-14-2010, 01:20 AM   #10 (permalink)
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The only time its been called in my experience is when an action results in blood or injury. I got elbowed by some wreckless idiot who did the exact same spin move lead with elbow to face move a couple possessions before, and this was outside, and I like soaked my shirt in blood and the offensive team called an offensive foul for me because it was so blatant. Only that kind of thing. I've never called an offensive foul myself in a compettitive game.
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I've never called an offensive foul in pick-up. Never even thought about it. If someone is bringing elbows, you block the elbows. If someone is charging into you, you take the contact and give it right back to him.
That's easier to do when playing "prison rules" with people you know. You should guard a stranger who is 'trane's size...that would be interesting. Of course, if you're a big dude, then blocking elbows might not be a problem. I can't recall being put in a position where I had to call an offensive foul, but they do exist, in my opinion.

On another note, I forgot to ask what prompted the thread. I'm curious about that. Did you play pick-up this week and somebody called lame fouls? haha

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The only time its been called in my experience is when an action results in blood or injury. I got elbowed by some wreckless idiot who did the exact same spin move lead with elbow to face move a couple possessions before, and this was outside, and I like soaked my shirt in blood and the offensive team called an offensive foul for me because it was so blatant. Only that kind of thing. I've never called an offensive foul myself in a compettitive game.
Yeah. I can't remember all the occasions offensive fouls have been called, but, in my experiences, at least with more serious players, the defender who was directly affected is not really the one who calls it. It's usually someone else stepping in because a massive advantage was gained. And even then it's still rare. But the question asked if it exists, and your experience confirms that it does.
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Old 05-14-2010, 02:00 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I have seen an offensive foul once, and everyone in the gym bitched at the person. So ya anyone who tries to draw a charge should gtfo.
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It definately exists but in rare cases where I play. Most of the people I play with arent lame fucktards, though there are a few people that call AND1 on every little bump and contact which is by far the most annoying thing in playing pickup basketball besides the overconfident douchebag who runs up the score anytime anyone asks what the score is, and he argues til hes blue in the face when someone tells him hes full of shit.

The park I go to now and the gym I play at is mostly with really good friends and the usuals at both places, its only when the randoms come into play when theres problems.

One game a month ago there was a foul called on nearly every possession because of ONE dude who wore the VC socks up past his knees, when we saw him wearing those we said to ourselves this guy has to be the basketball douche and this game is going to be a problem one way or another, and sure enough he Isoballd it every possession and called a foul on any kind of contact and argued like an idiot when people told him he was full of shit. The game was up to 7 fullcourt and it took like 40 mins to play, I almost walked off the court.

But back on topic, the only time I've seen anyone literally try and draw more than one charge in a day is about a year ago when I went to a gym to play just to workout because I knew the people there sucked, and there was this skinny 6'5 hick who could actually jump but anytime someone went in for a layup and he was anywhere near them hed try and get in front and then hed actually throw himself back like Varajao and call it. This was in a church too(church has a gym) so literally everyone was wondering what the hell was going on. I was on the other team and I was actually laughing after he did it, I couldnt even run back on defence I was laughing so hard. He hit the ground HARD from throwing himself back, haha.

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Old 05-14-2010, 02:03 AM   #14 (permalink)
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If it's deliberate, than yes. i.e. ball handler using his forearm aggresively to post you up
But can someone stand their ground and draw one? No.
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If you call this in compettitive pickup ball then you're badgered and labelled a pussy. People who call those kinds of pushing fouls are douches. Just fight back if theyre doing it. Now if its above the shoulders, then you have a problem. But if they're just doing the Jalen Rose hook or the stiff arm just hit em back.
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I'm not sure if you understand what I mean by 'aggresive'
Picture this:
You're guarding someone much stronger than you. Instead of using his lower body to post you up (which leaves you with the option keeping your hands up and contesting) he uses his forearms (which requires an applied force, not only from the forearm but the whole body). There is actualy a huge difference, in that, if someone is stronger than you and aggresively uses their forearm, you stand absolutely no chance.
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no such thing.
if anyone ever calls an offensive foul on someone they should be laughed at and ignored.
the only way an offensive foul is called is if someone gets picked up and body slammed to the ground... and if that ever happened, i think you would have a lot more to worry about than a foul call.
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Old 05-14-2010, 10:45 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Another funny one is the guy who screams foul like a bitch if you barely touch him. But then will hit you really hard on defense and then call you a pussy if you say its a foul.

Anyway for the offensive foul, I'd say its likely only called if it results in an injury
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i'm thinking of the fat, talentless dude that just takes passes in the lane, lowers his shoulder and takes three steps through any defender on his way to force up a layup. there's no way to stop that play. a big guy like me takes a shoulder to the stomach and can't get a proper hand up because i'm protecting my balls, and a smaller player just gets demolished. this destroys the flow of any game because the only way to defend him is to put a shoulder right back into him as he's catching the ball on the run, and it becomes a slug fest. to me, that's much worse than just calling an offnesive foul because the dude is attempting a rugby move in a basketball game.

if you've got guys that want to play and have fun, no problem. no need to call offensive fouls. but way too often you get guys taking advantage of the fact that there are no refs and they just take all the fun out of the game by treating the paint like it's a scrum.

if i wanted to play like that, there's no way any of you, save maybe torap, could stop me. i have such a size advantage that i can bully my way around the paint and act like a total douchebag, grinding the game to a halt and getting a layup any time i want. this isn't basketball, though. and it sucks to play against guys like that.
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