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Old 02-06-2012, 08:41 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Nobody here can or appears to want to repress him. But declaring him a sure bet on one game is ridiculous.
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Old 02-06-2012, 08:49 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:01 AM   #123 (permalink)
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:00 PM   #124 (permalink)
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there is some racism aspect to this. you can't completely dismiss it. the guy was the captain of his high school varisty team that won state! and the state of california on top of that. yet no, absolutely none, DIV I basketball schools offered him a scholarship....hmmmm i wonder why? so then he goes to harvard and gets in based on his grades because harvard doesn't give athletic scholarships. he graduates in econ will balancing an ivey league education and college ball. goes undrafted. again no one notices. plays well in summer league where is able to showcase his abilities. gets a contract with gstate but gets no playing time and gets cut. goes to houston and gets cut. then goes to the knicks. is it a coincident that the first time he plays any relevant minutes (35MIN) he's able to finally show what he can do? the guy just need an opportunity but no one up to this point has given him a chance because......of well you know.....
for those that have said its only one game. ya its only one game but how long will it take to convince you? those who doubt tebow will always doubt tebow. they've already have their minds made up. nothing he does will change what they think
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:06 PM   #125 (permalink)
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maybe he's just an asshole? that is just as likely a reason that no one wants him on their team, is it not?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:12 PM   #126 (permalink)
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maybe he's just an asshole? that is just as likely a reason that no one wants him on their team, is it not?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:18 PM   #127 (permalink)
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where did that come from dude? why did you feel the need to take a personal shot at me?

there is absolutely no evidence of racism, just like there is no evidence of him being an asshole. they are comparable.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #128 (permalink)
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where did that come from dude? why did you feel the need to take a personal shot at me?

there is absolutely no evidence of racism, just like there is no evidence of him being an asshole. they are comparable.
sorry....i thought i made some good points and it was being completely dismissed with a one line response. if you took it personally i apologize.

back on topic. i mean, if it was a black or white guy that was the captain of his high school team that won state. state anywhere let alone california. don't you think at least one DIV 1 school would take a look at him? it's the same thing as people with an ethnic name on a resume, employers are less likely to hire them.
if you can play you can play. thats true. i'm just saying the same opportunity won't be there for certain people to show that you can play
its also hard to have "proof" in incidences like these. your not gonna get a tape recording of scouts saying they're not gonna take a look at this kid cuz he's asian. but you still know its not as innocent as it seems

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Old 02-06-2012, 12:33 PM   #129 (permalink)
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Sounds like he's made quite a few decisions on his own that have contributed to his situation.

His dream school UCLA offered him a spot as a walk-on and he chose not to go there. He chose Harvard because they guaranteed him a starting spot. Sounds like he took the easy way out to me. The Ivy League hasn't had a player drafted since 1995 and Harvard hasn't produced an NBA player since the 1950's, so it's not completely beyond comprehension why he didn't get drafted. He also choose the Warriors over other teams that were offering more money. So, he chose to go to team a team that was already loaded at the guard position. And he got cut by GS and Houston because they were trying to clear cap space or a roster spot and unfortunately that's what happens to fringe players and guys with partially guaranteed contracts. I also don't know too many undrafted rookies who get shoe deals before they've even played a game in the NBA.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:34 PM   #130 (permalink)
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back on topic. i mean, if it was a black or white guy that was the captain of his high school team that won state. state anywhere let alone california. don't you think at least one DIV 1 school would take a look at him? it's the same thing as people with an ethnic name on a resume, employers are less likely to hire them.
if you can play you can play. thats true. i'm just saying the same opportunity won't be there for certain people to show that you can play
i don't know anything about this player, but don't you think that because no division 1 schools offered him a scholarship, there's less likelihood that race was ever a factor?

Surely not all division 1 programs have a thing against asian kids?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:35 PM   #131 (permalink)
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am i not supposed to take it personally if you call me an asshole?


back on topic - taking an example already mentioned in this thread:

roko ukic competed on the kk split cadet and junior teams, winning the national youth championship twice with the cadet team and earning the MVP award of the croat cadet championship in 2000.

he then played for the men's team, averaging 18.5 points and 4.3 assists in 35.2 minutes for split in the adriatic league.

he was drafted in the 2nd round of the nba draft by the raps, but they wouldn't give him anything but a deep bench role (first nba snub!), so he opted to stay in europe, playing with baskonia, barcelona, and later roma.

the raps then offered him pg minutes and he came to the nba, where he put up 4.2 points and 2.1 assists. but he had a career high of 22 points one time! and 10 assists another time! why was no one noticing? (2nd nba snub!)

then he was traded to the bucks, who waived him (3rd nba snub!)

now he's back in europe.

does any of this imply that the nba has an anti-euro bias? he was a former mvp, he put up good numbers in other leagues, he had a couple of big nba games, including a game-winner vs the spurs, and now he's out of the league. how is this any different than the lin situation?




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its also hard to have "proof" in incidences like these. your not gonna get a tape recording of scouts saying they're not gonna take a look at this kid cuz he's asian. but you still know its not as innocent as it seems
you dont know it, you are assuming it, and it is a heck of an unfouonded accusation to make.

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Old 02-06-2012, 12:55 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Let's be honest here.... I don't think that it's out of the question that Lin's lack of "flash", athleticism AND race have played into things some. Hell, look at Charlie Ward back in the day or even Doug Flutie... Sometimes when you don't "fit the mold" people are quick to discount you.

He ran into some unfortunate situations in GS and HOU where those teams were making hard pushes at big players and needed the cap room.... but I think the NJ game definitely opened some eyes and the playing field should be levelled for him now (as far as people having an open mind about him).

I'm pulling for him. I haven't seen much, but from what I've seen he's a smart kid with good size and great instincts. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see him stick in the league. And he's still a marketing dream for those cities with large asian populations.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:58 PM   #133 (permalink)
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I agree he didn't get to play because he is black. Most schools in the US would rather have an all white team then win the championship because thats what the old people want. Whites not championships.

For example if CB4 was white, people would notice he is better than jordan who didn't have to worry about being black.
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if that was his best game of his career and he leaves the league in a couple of years that just means he's not NBA material. thats fine. because i believe once ur in the NBA the oppurtunity will present itself sooner or later. lin's chance finally came and he seized it. what he does after he's on his own. its more about his road to the NBA. like Acie said, only UCLA offered him a walk-on spot. no scholarships. so i think maybe at that point he didn't see a future in basketball so might as well go to harvard and get an education and play some ball on the side. him not getting drafted is understandable cuz you don't really go to the ivey to look for future nba players. what i'm more suspicious about is why no schools gave him a chance coming out of high school
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if that was his best game of his career and he leaves the league in a couple of years that just means he's not NBA material. thats fine. because i believe once ur in the NBA the oppurtunity will present itself sooner or later. lin's chance finally came and he seized it. what he does after he's on his own. its more about his road to the NBA. like Acie said, only UCLA offered him a walk-on spot. no scholarships. so i think maybe at that point he didn't see a future in basketball so might as well go to harvard and get an education and play some ball on the side. him not getting drafted is understandable cuz you don't really go to the ivey to look for future nba players. what i'm more suspicious about is why no schools gave him a chance coming out of high school
Stanford not recruiting him was the biggest surprise to me.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:04 PM   #136 (permalink)
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I don't say only UCLA offered a walk on spot. I merely pointed out that it was his dream school and they offered him a walk-on spot.

Apparently, he was offered a walk-on spot to every school he sent a video to except for Brown and Harvard, who guaranteed starting positions.
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I don't say only UCLA offered a walk on spot. I merely pointed out that it was his dream school and they offered him a walk-on spot.

Apparently, he was offered a walk-on spot to every school he sent a video to except for Brown and Harvard, who guaranteed starting positions.
ah, over looked that. but then again. other players with similar high school credentials would've had schools going to him instead of him sending schools videos and getting walk-on spots. anyways, theres no way to have evidence for these sorts of things (the most minor of racism, i don't think you can even call it that. prejudice? iunno...) but i'm just saying you can't COMPETELY dismiss it.
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Steve Nash sent video to over 30 different schools and was not recruited by anyone until Santa Clara (who hadn't made the NCAA tournament for 5 years and was hardly a basketball powerhouse) came calling.
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but i'm just saying you can't COMPETELY dismiss it.
so in the roko ukic example, i assume you would also agree that you can't completely dismiss the anti-croatian bias, right?

and what does the nba's potential racism towards asian players say about yao ming? and what about the massive project to expand nba interest in china?
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so in the roko ukic example, i assume you would also agree that you can't completely dismiss the anti-croatian bias, right?

and what does the nba's potential racism towards asian players say about yao ming? and what about the massive project to expand nba interest in china?
Yao Ming was 7'6" and 300lbs.... it wouldn't have mattered if his skin was green... he would've got a chance to play and show his skills just based on his size alone.

The point is that there have certainly been european players (specifically guards) in the NBA before.... There's never been an asian guard who's stuck in the league. To this point I'd assume that it's because they haven't been good enough... and if that's been the case for years and years then it's a stereotype that Lin is going to have to deal with.
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