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Old 02-07-2012, 11:50 AM   #221 (permalink)
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So Lebron is African?
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:51 AM   #222 (permalink)
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people hyped jason williams up cause he was a white guy "doing black things" as i read in a slam article back in the day...this is the same sort of thing. lin isn't necessarily doing "black things" but the driving force behind the hype machine is the fact that he's asian/american and you can't get around that. i mean he's balling too, we'll see how long it lasts, but he's producing. dude's also got a cool story, how he has a degree from harvard, was overlooked by D1 schools and NBA teams, and I think that plays into it as well. but people aren't used to seeing an asian/american run the point, and run the point well.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:53 AM   #223 (permalink)
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are u being serious right now? have you filled out a census before?
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:57 AM   #225 (permalink)
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Jeremy Shu-How Lin[1] (Chinese: 林書豪; pinyin: Ln Shūho; born August 23, 1988) is an American professional basketball player with the New York Knicks of the National Basketball Association (NBA).
Wikipedia for the win, American.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:59 AM   #226 (permalink)
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I only posted the 1st half highlights because at the time that's all I could find. The criticism about the TOs is unwarranted though. He played the whole damn 2nd half without a rest. 44 min in total for the game! That's a bit ridiculous considering he was a benchwarmer a few nights ago. Takes some getting used to.

Contrary to what you believe, YES, we WOULD be talking about this kid if he played in Indiana or Utah or wherever else.... because the fact of the matter is that an ASIAN PG starting (and playing well) in the NBA just isn't something that you see every day.

Rubio doesn't get enough praise? Wha? Where have you been? LOL.... We were talking about him non-stop during the 1st dozen games or so that Minny played. I think I even said something to the effect of "I'd cut my left nut off for him to sign with us in a couple years". Rubio's been doing this for a little while now though... and he was expected to be very good.... Lin wasn't. That makes all the difference. BTW... for the record, Rubio has my ROTY vote.

Just do yourself a favour and try to ignore the media coverage (hard as that may be). Just watch the kid play. If you're a fan of basketball (which I know you are) I don't see how you can't enjoy watching him out there.
I didn't say Rubio doesn't get enough praise. He just gets overlooked in general for what he has done over more than a few games, and if he was in NY it would be ridiculous how much the praise would spill over.

Lin being of a certain race shouldn't be newsworthy. I'm not getting that at all. He had a nice impact on a couple of teams that have some holes, and clearly didn't know what to expect. When I see him play a well-rounded game against teams that have game planned for him, then it will mean a little more. He could very well be able to do what Felton did last year. Good on him if he does.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:03 PM   #227 (permalink)
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Wikipedia for the win, American.
He's Asian-American.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:09 PM   #228 (permalink)
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He's Asian-American.
do you mean american in the national or continental sense?

he's asian-american continentally speaking, but chinese-american nationally.

racially he's taiwanese, i suppose. or maybe chinese, depending on how you categorize that.

politically he's us-american.

religiously he's christian.

genetically, he's 99.9% the same as everyone else on the planet.


i think we should discuss his class status next. immigrant family, but he went to harvard and now makes 6 figures. lower class or upper class... hmmm... this is fun!
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:12 PM   #229 (permalink)
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I didn't say Rubio doesn't get enough praise. He just gets overlooked in general for what he has done over more than a few games, and if he was in NY it would be ridiculous how much the praise would spill over.

Lin being of a certain race shouldn't be newsworthy. I'm not getting that at all. He had a nice impact on a couple of teams that have some holes, and clearly didn't know what to expect. When I see him play a well-rounded game against teams that have game planned for him, then it will mean a little more. He could very well be able to do what Felton did last year. Good on him if he does.
*shrug* I don't see it.... I think that Rubio gets more than his share of praise. He's starting and Minny is better off for it. I'm fairly sure that he's considered one of the best pure PGs in the league right now (or should be). If you're upset because Minny's media coverage doesn't rival NYC's well.... what can I tell you? Trust that anyone who knows basketball and follows it knows how good Rubio is though.

As for the rest c'mon.... this isn't anything new. Look at how the media fell all over Tiger Woods as soon as he burst onto the scene in a "predominantly white sport". Sure he was skilled as hell but you don't think that a good part of that phenomenon had to do with his race?

No one's saying that Lin should win ROTY or go to the all-star game or get a $10M/yr contract.... people are just excited to see him play because (so far) he's playing very well.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:16 PM   #230 (permalink)
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do you mean american in the national or continental sense?

he's asian-american continentally speaking, but chinese-american nationally.

racially he's taiwanese, i suppose. or maybe chinese, depending on how you categorize that.

politically he's us-american.

religiously he's christian.

genetically, he's 99.9% the same as everyone else on the planet.


i think we should discuss his class status next. immigrant family, but he went to harvard and now makes 6 figures. lower class or upper class... hmmm... this is fun!
Asian refers to race.

American refers to nationality/place of birth.

People can discuss it to death if they want... makes no difference to me. The term "African-American" has been used for ages now. I've heard "Asian- American" used in similar context. Didn't realize it was such a point of contention.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:17 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Lin is a all-hustle guy who has good quickness and plays very good defence. He has a nice knack for getting into the paint and drawing defences, and he tends to make good decisions. However, last night, the Jazz made the adjustment in the second half of having only one defender on him and then other defenders sagging on defenders. This led to Lin's 8 turnovers in the 2nd half alone. Part of the problem is that his vertical isn't very good at all, so he cannot jump over guys to make passes or to get his shot off. He'll have to find other ways to score and to distribute.

He's very right-hand dominant, and teams will start overplaying him on that side until he shows that he can attack and finish with his left hand. In addition, his long-range game is spotty, so I would expect more teams to sag off him and play for the drive.

He's a nice prospect, though. It'll be interesting to see how he does with Stoudemire and Anthony.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:33 PM   #232 (permalink)
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Lin is a all-hustle guy who has good quickness and plays very good defence. He has a nice knack for getting into the paint and drawing defences, and he tends to make good decisions. However, last night, the Jazz made the adjustment in the second half of having only one defender on him and then other defenders sagging on defenders. This led to Lin's 8 turnovers in the 2nd half alone. Part of the problem is that his vertical isn't very good at all, so he cannot jump over guys to make passes or to get his shot off. He'll have to find other ways to score and to distribute.

He's very right-hand dominant, and teams will start overplaying him on that side until he shows that he can attack and finish with his left hand. In addition, his long-range game is spotty, so I would expect more teams to sag off him and play for the drive.

He's a nice prospect, though. It'll be interesting to see how he does with Stoudemire and Anthony.
Not sure about this part...... the best PGs don't leave their feet at all to make passes. That's just part of being fundamentally sound. Lin has good height for a PG though and his court vision seems more than adequate so I don't see him having too many problems finding the open man.

His shot? That'll be the big question mark.... we'll see.
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:47 PM   #233 (permalink)
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Not sure about this part...... the best PGs don't leave their feet at all to make passes. That's just part of being fundamentally sound. Lin has good height for a PG though and his court vision seems more than adequate so I don't see him having too many problems finding the open man.

His shot? That'll be the big question mark.... we'll see.
Um...yes, they do.

But they typically don't leave their feet without a good idea already of where they're passing it.
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Lin sure has great bball IQ. Was a diamond in the rough, too bad Colangelo didn't grab him.
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Asian refers to race.

American refers to nationality/place of birth.

People can discuss it to death if they want... makes no difference to me. The term "African-American" has been used for ages now. I've heard "Asian- American" used in similar context. Didn't realize it was such a point of contention.
american is only an issue of nationality now. interesting. i wonder how south americans feel about that?

and asian only refers to race... really? or is there a cultural thing too? and are russians asians?

if i knew this was so cut and dry i would have come to you during my university days.






it's not a point of contention, it's just patently absurd as an issue.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:22 PM   #236 (permalink)
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there is no nation called 'asia', so that's pretty clear, i think.
Really???

You're something else. Can't say Asian I guess?

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Um...yes, they do.

But they typically don't leave their feet without a good idea already of where they're passing it.
I think you get my point regardless. A player's vertical doesn't really come into play when you're talking about passing skills.

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american is only an issue of nationality now. interesting. i wonder how south americans feel about that?

and asian only refers to race... really? or is there a cultural thing too? and are russians asians?

if i knew this was so cut and dry i would have come to you during my university days.


it's not a point of contention, it's just patently absurd as an issue.
And this is where I exit this conversation. Because like most religious/political debates it's pretty pointless.
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american is only an issue of nationality now. interesting. i wonder how south americans feel about that?

and asian only refers to race... really? or is there a cultural thing too? and are russians asians?

if i knew this was so cut and dry i would have come to you during my university days.






it's not a point of contention, it's just patently absurd as an issue.
You be quiet, slightly off colored Canadian guy that could pass for vin diesel but is more jerome iginla....but Canadian.
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And this is where I exit this conversation. Because like most religious/political debates it's pretty pointless.

lol at the idea that religion and politics are pointless. the world should just forget that stuff and focus on mma and survivor.
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You be quiet, slightly off colored Canadian guy that could pass for vin diesel but is more jerome iginla....but Canadian.
i am a honky, but i have a big dick, so i sometimes get confused for an albino-african-canadian.
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