Suns & Clips Swap Maggette for Barbosa?
Old 06-24-2008, 10:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Plus draft picks too, but does it not seem like Phoenix could potentially be getting the raw end of the deal here?

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Suns and Clippers are talking about a deal that would send the No. 7 pick and Corey Maggette to Phoenix for Leandro Barbosa and the No. 15 pick, according to ESPN.com.
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Barbosa is pretty overrated. Sell while he still has value, plus they get a 7 pick in a pretty deep draft. I'm all over this if I'm Phoenix.
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I think the Suns get the better deal. Sure Barbosa is a heckuva player, but Mags is a proven 20-point scorer (when healthy) PLUS they get a lotto pick.
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Phoenix IMO wins that. They get a top ratted scorer who'll give them 22PPG and 6RPG.I don't understand why most people here really dislike Corey Maggette with his numbers!!
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No one rips on Maggette. He's just really injury prone and the style of ball he plays makes him that way. He goes hard, but because of that, he gets injured a lot.
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No one rips on Maggette. He's just really injury prone and the style of ball he plays makes him that way. He goes hard, but because of that, he gets injured a lot.

He's played alot more than JO and is alot cheaper and we wouldn't have to give up as much.Yet everyone is jumping for joy to get O'neil!!

Maggette the last two season: 06-07 (75GP),07-08 (70GP)=Avg.72.5GP
Oneil the last two season: 06-07 (69GP) 07-08 (42GP)= Avg.55.5 GP

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Plus draft picks too, but does it not seem like Phoenix could potentially be getting the raw end of the deal here?
I'm confused, dont you mean LAC getting the raw end or am I just reading what you said wrong?

I dont get this deal. PHX gets the higher pick plus the much better player for the much worse player and the lower pick. What the fuck? TJ+17>>>>>>>Barbosa and 15.
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I'm confused, dont you mean LAC getting the raw end or am I just reading what you said wrong?

I dont get this deal. PHX gets the higher pick plus the much better player for the much worse player and the lower pick. What the fuck? TJ+17>>>>>>>Barbosa and 15.
No, you read right. I personally think Barbosa brings more to the table at this stage of both their careers. More versatile, not to mention 3 years younger. The only concern I have is how he'll play as someone that's a focal point and not a secondary one like he's been in Phoenix for the last couple seasons.

Personally, I'd take Barbosa long before I'd take Maggette right now. JMO
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i actually agree.
Barbosa doesnt have the 'name' that Maggette has, but in terms of skill - Barbosa is a SCORING MACHINE.
true, he's benefited from being in the Suns' system, but you still cant discount his shooting and speed.
Magette seems to be on the decline, whereas barbosa is getting better every year.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:25 PM   #10 (permalink)
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He's played alot more than JO and is alot cheaper and we wouldn't have to give up as much.Yet everyone is jumping for joy to get O'neil!!

Maggette the last two season: 06-07 (75GP),07-08 (70GP)=Avg.72.5GP
Oneil the last two season: 06-07 (69GP) 07-08 (42GP)= Avg.55.5 GP

Let's tkae this into consideration:

Jermaine O'Neal's resume (29 years old)
*6-time NBA All-Star
*All-NBA Second Team (2003-04)
*2-time All-NBA Third Team (2001-2002, 2002-03)
This proves that when he's healthy, he can be dominant

Corey Maggette's resume (28 years old)
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Not to say that Mags isn't dominant, but he's also going to be looking for a long term contract (possibly 4 years) beginning this season - at at least 10 million per year. Does that not mess up what Colangelo is trying to do for 2010? O'Neal's contract runs out in time for that.
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Let's tkae this into consideration:

Jermaine O'Neal's resume (29 years old)
*6-time NBA All-Star
*All-NBA Second Team (2003-04)
*2-time All-NBA Third Team (2001-2002, 2002-03)
This proves that when he's healthy, he can be dominant

Corey Maggette's resume (28 years old)
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Not to say that Mags isn't dominant, but he's also going to be looking for a long term contract (possibly 4 years) beginning this season - at at least 10 million per year. Does that not mess up what Colangelo is trying to do for 2010? O'Neal's contract runs out in time for that.
My point is O'neil hasn't been an all star for a while.The you take his 51GP average over the last 4 season into consideration,then factor in risk and his 44 million dollar salary (next two seasons) and it adds up to no deal for me.If this deal actually were to happen i'd be crossing my fingers with every game and praying before every game (and i'm not religious).If he stays healthy great i love the deal,but i don't see it happening!
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So, you'd rather the cap be fucked up just so we can have Mags? Big picture here. Think Bigger picture.
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Old 06-24-2008, 12:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sometimes guys need a change of scenery. J-O's been wanting out of time for some time. I'm not saying he wimped out like Vince did, but I wouldn't be surprised if J-O plays at least 75+ games next season.
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Grange said it best today in his blog:

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O'Neal is a rare 20 and 10 guy, a true post and not yet 30 years old. And while his contract is massive, the pain is short-lived in that there is only two years and $43-million left on the deal. If things don't work out then next summer or certainly at the trading deadline in 2010 the Raptors would be able to move O'Neal to a team seeking an expiring contract, and at that price be able to take back a top-tier player if they were available, but that's a big if.
A risk? yes .... but a win-win in my opinion.
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No, you read right. I personally think Barbosa brings more to the table at this stage of both their careers. More versatile, not to mention 3 years younger. The only concern I have is how he'll play as someone that's a focal point and not a secondary one like he's been in Phoenix for the last couple seasons.

Personally, I'd take Barbosa long before I'd take Maggette right now. JMO
You must have missed last year because Barbosa was awful both in the reg season and in the playoffs especially. His defence somehow got worse and he added nothing to his game.

How is he more versatile than Maggette? He can shoot the 3 and drive it on the fastbreak. He still cant pass, he still cant defend, he still cant rebound.

At least with Maggette you know youre going to be getting a guy who gets to the ft line often, shoot a high %, and rebounds the ball. Both are equally dumb and pathetic on defence, but Maggette is by FAR the better offensive player. Their value isnt really close IMO, this is one of the worst moves in Clipper history if this happens especially if Maggette is expiring next year. Trading the much better player AND the much better pick is beyond stupid. Beyond Babcock.
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Babcock would trade Maggette and the #7 for DJ Strawberry, Sean Marks, and the #17.
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No but really, dumb trade if its true. I'd actually think Barbosa and the #17 for just Maggette or just the #7 would be fairly reasonable. Though considering the Suns want to go for it now, I think they'd prefer Maggette. Wouldn't be a terrible move actually. With the #7, it's highway robbery.
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So basically this trade is just saying that Barbosa is better than Maggette by 8 picks??

Wow.
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i think some cash may be involved
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