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Old 01-03-2013, 04:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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David Stern is stepping down as commissioner on Feb. 1, 2014, which will mark exactly 30 years sitting on the NBA's throne.

So within the next year or so, he's got a lot of things to do before he passes the big chair to Adam Silver. One of those things is possibly setting plans in motion to return the NBA to Seattle, something he's reportedly "determined" to do.

Another expansion idea Stern has? Taking the NBA to Europe. Though it's not something he'll likely be involved with. On SVP & Russillo, Stern acted as if it's a certainty the NBA will have a European team.

"I think so," Stern said when asked if he sees a team in Europe at some point. "I think multiple NBA international teams. Twenty years from now? For sure. In Europe. No place else. In other places I think you'll see the NBA name on leagues and other places with marketing and basketball support, but not part of the NBA as we now know it."

It might sound a little crazy, but it shouldn't. Because it almost happened already with an expansion team in London. Via the Boston Globe:


There was a time when Stern had dreams of a team or even a division in Europe, a first in American sports. He was determined to devise a way for a group of teams in London, Rome, Paris, Madrid, Barcelona, and Berlin to compete with the 30 stateside NBA teams and even have a real world championship series.

Regardless of how uncomfortable the idea made fans who believe 30 teams was enough -- and regardless of how inconceivable it might be to have a team in a time zone six hours ahead of the Eastern US -- Stern was going to add the London Abbeys to the NBA.

That idea died on the operating table though, because the international economy went rotten and because there aren't any NBA-style arenas overseas.

Which is why Stern put the 20-year timetable on it. Because within that time frame, someone is probably going to build an NBA arena with luxury boxes and concessions and 20,000 seats. Once that happens, an expansion team in London or Barcelona is probably an inevitability.

The NBA is already the second-most globalized game in the world behind soccer, so it's natural to try to expand its borders. There's money to be made internationally. And building a bridge between the NBA and Euroleague would certainly be an interesting evolution.

I know what you're thinking. How is this possible? How could the Trail Blazers take a road trip to Rome on the second night of a back-to-back?

Well, consider this: A flight from New York to London is roughly seven and a half hours. A flight from New York to Los Angeles is roughly six hours. So in the same way schedule-makers set up West and East Coast road trips, it would probably be the same for European trips. It would complicate NBA travel for sure, but it's possible. Especially since we'll probably all be able to teleport in 20 years anyway.

Still, with the league coming off a lockout where the owners cried poor, doesn't it seem odd to be adding more teams, which means the pie gets split even more? There are a lot of variables that will be in play to this actually happening, one being the health of the league.

This isn't something Stern will be overseeing during his tenure. Twenty years is a long time, and a whole lot of things can change. It's something on the radar, though, and Stern seems exceedingly confident it's going to happen. So start getting your mind wrapped around the idea of an East Coast road trip including a stop in London.

Stern: 'For sure' there'll be multiple NBA teams in Europe in 20 years - CBSSports.com
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:57 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The City of Portland wants a European flair.
What better way then moving the Blazers over there.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Wouldn't the time difference be a problem to viewers AND players? I mean... Jet lag? I'm not saying it wont happen, but it just shouldn't... For players sake, and fairness overall... Players who go there are just going to be jet lagged, tired, sleepy, random temperature/sickness... it just seems unhealthy.

-- and the European team would get a weak/tired team to go against... they'd have a waaay clear advantage then all other teams get at home..

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Wouldn't the time difference be a problem to viewers AND players? I mean... Jet lag? I'm not saying it wont happen, but it just shouldn't... For players sake, and fairness overall... Players who go there are just going to be jet lagged, tired, sleepy, random temperature/sickness... it just seems unhealthy.

-- and the European team would get a weak/tired team to go against... they'd have a waaay clear advantage then all other teams get at home..
it'd be the same for the european teams when they come to play NA teams, but your right with the rest of your point. LA and NY have a 3 hour time difference, london and NY 5...........
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Why not just start an NBA Europe league, say 10-15 teams to start??

The only way it would work to have European teams in the NBA would be to cut the amount of games to about 60 games due to travel, time changes etc...

And what, will the NBA eventually have 40 teams? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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it'd be the same for the european teams when they come to play NA teams, but your right with the rest of your point. LA and NY have a 3 hour time difference, london and NY 5...........
Yup, if this league already had half of their teams in Europe, and half in North America- then it'd be fine.

But the thing is the single European team would have a road trip, and the jet lag would eventually go away.. They'll go to TOR, get a jet lag, play a game, go to NY, Jet lag slowly going away, play a game, go to boston... again going away, play a game. Then return, probably get a day rest, have a home run against players having major jet lags.
but teams going there, ex TOR.. would get a major jet lag, and play a game, then return play a 'home game'- if you really would call it that anymore.. then play another game.

All-around both Euro and NA teams would have advantages and disadvantages but if there is only a single Euro team it seems like they'd have an upper hand.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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not going to happen unless much faster travel will be invented...

now seriously, Europe has pretty competitive league already. sure it is not as good as NBA in terms of talent and athleticism but it gives much more in return to the fans. maybe it is more about type of fans than the teams or a league but still we are talking about whole different level of energy in arena when two Euroleague teams are playing.
so this Europe expansion thing is all about marketing. neither fans nor the game of basketball will benefit from it.
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not going to happen unless much faster travel will be invented...

now seriously, Europe has pretty competitive league already. sure it is not as good as NBA in terms of talent and athleticism but it gives much more in return to the fans. maybe it is more about type of fans than the teams or a league but still we are talking about whole different level of energy in arena when two Euroleague teams are playing.
so this Europe expansion thing is all about marketing. neither fans nor the game of basketball will benefit from it.
spot on
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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not going to happen unless much faster travel will be invented...
The sun and the earth revolving around it seems to be a larger problem that's pretty hard to overcome.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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All you'd need is one internationally regulated and maintained high speed mag-lev train from New York to Lisbon (let's say) and that would mitigate most of the problems. You wouldn't have as much regulation as with airplanes and if it's in a sealed tube in a vacuum the train could easily travel in excess of 700 mph.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:48 PM   #11 (permalink)
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don't think players will enjoy paying a 75% income tax rate in France...
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The biggest stumbling block will be the interests of TV giants and the return they want to receive on their TV contracts. If I'm FOX-LA and I've unloaded a billion dollars for the rights to broadcast Laker games, I don't like the fact that there's going to be a chunk of games every season when the Lakers don't tip off until midnight. And that's mostly because who wants to pay for the rights to advertise when viewership is a fraction of what it would be if the game were starting at 7 pm. Unless the revenue structure is adjusted to mitigate this where its beneficial for all parties involved, this will be the biggest problem.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be against having a Europe team but I would to adding more teams, 30 is enough, maybe too much.
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Old 01-04-2013, 05:54 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Lol this is never going to happen, at least not in Holland.
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Why not just start an NBA Europe league, say 10-15 teams to start??

The only way it would work to have European teams in the NBA would be to cut the amount of games to about 60 games due to travel, time changes etc...

And what, will the NBA eventually have 40 teams? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
NFL already went to Europe rout. but it was similar to a farm league.
Europe already has well developed basketball leagues in Spain, Turkey, Greece, Italy, Russia, etc...
Probably the only place without a decent league is England

They should try to make an NBA China. Their brand is already successful there.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:09 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Stern blowing smoke out of his ass

bottom line is that it's just not viable (and that goes for any other league that has a 70-80 game schedule)
i can see an expansion with the NFL one day...simply because they only play 1 game a week
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Lol this is never going to happen, at least not in Holland.
Holland doesn't even have a decent team that could play even in 2nd best league in Europe. Lithuania has 2 teams that play in the top league (euroleague), we have probably the best arena in Europe (maybe O2 is better), every game it's full to almost full (16k) - most visited in entire Europe.
I know that we're not in Stern's plans, because we're a tiny, unimportant market, ignore the fact we're most loving basketball country in the world. I know for fact that this euro division has no future, because of the traveling and time zone issues you mentioned, but also because it would take sportmanship away. They already include London and Paris as most realistic locations, nevermind that there aren't any jack shit worth teams. And most importantly, there are no fans base there. Basketball is not interesting in those countries.
It might work with Spain's teams, but too much work for NBA to add one country from Europe. And it wouldn't be logical.
I voted that it's possible, I would love to see nba teams in Zalgiris arena, I would love to boooo them all game long, to shout all game long, to show what basketball fans are for real, not those lazy fat americans ( not canadians, canadians are cool! ) who go to games to eat entire game, leave it 5 minutes before the buzzer, win a free meal if team scores 100 points, chant when arena's announcer begs to... And those arena melodies... to prevent awkward silence...
Yeah, there is NCAA, it's cool, I'd like it way more than NBA if the level of play was higher
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Stern blowing smoke out of his ass

bottom line is that it's just not viable (and that goes for any other league that has a 70-80 game schedule)
i can see an expansion with the NFL one day...simply because they only play 1 game a week
NBA could cut some games, like there is any need to play 4 times with same team in regular season. Make it one at home and one away with every team in the league. Less games will make them more important, like in Euroleague every game matters, that's why every game is like a war on and off the court, while in NBA most games do not matter, so Bargnanish type of players show up just to make their stats and leave early to go do a spaghetti commercial
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NBA could cut some games, like there is any need to play 4 times with same team in regular season. Make it one at home and one away with every team in the league. Less games will make them more important, like in Euroleague every game matters, that's why every game is like a war on and off the court, while in NBA most games do not matter, so Bargnanish type of players show up just to make their stats and leave early to go do a spaghetti commercial
You think the NBA will cut games/revenue ??...NOT going to happen
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:22 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Stern's just trying to hold onto a legacy while he see's the door hitting hit in the ass on the way out.
Can't wait till this idiot is gone.
Too many idiotic ideas.
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