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Old 04-25-2010, 12:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Van Gundy and Jackson are both known for getting fines for criticizing the officials.

Today there were more ridiculous calls against Dwight Howard.

Also, the last 2 LA games have been +20 for OKC on the line.

Just a coincidence? Or is Stern up to something?
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe the refs took it into their own hands.
They are humans to you know, and they are the ones getting criticized.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:18 AM   #3 (permalink)
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People need to quit complaining about the refs.
It's like every call they make, they will be upsetting one fanbase/coach/team.

They do an amazing job.
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:22 AM   #4 (permalink)
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People need to quit complaining about the refs.
It's like every call they make, they will be upsetting one fanbase/coach/team.

They do a ______ job.
6 Letters Long Starts with 'S' ends, with 'Y' and has two 'T's'...guess
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Old 04-25-2010, 02:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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For every call that you think favors one team, I can name a call within that same game that favors the other team.
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Old 04-25-2010, 02:53 AM   #6 (permalink)
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calls may be even, but timing matters. Some calls can turn the flow of the game
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Old 04-25-2010, 12:58 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You can't be a Raptors fan and think the ref's are not biased, because they are, blatantly so at times.
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The only call that was REALLY questionable was yesterday's Kobe debacle against OKC. He compalins, the ref has a CLEAR view, and then the call becomes inadvertent whistle? Really?

Otherwise than that the officiating has been alright.
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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NBA officiating is fixed.
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Old 04-25-2010, 01:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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refs almost always right, hardly make any bad calls, not as good as NLF refs but probably 2nd best
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Old 04-25-2010, 02:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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NBA officiating is fixed.
*takes the bait*

I seem to remember you saying this earlier in the year. I'd love to just copy and paste my old post but I can't find it.

Look, if it was fixed, why the hell wouldn't the league have helped Lebron beat the Magic last year? There were several opportunities to totally swing momentum. For example, the Magic stole one of the first two games in Cleveland. The Cavs were up by 20 in that game. If the league was fixed, the refs would have done something to hault Orlando's run and ensure that Cleveland won that game.

Now, if you don't think the league would have prefered Cleveland in the final, I'm going to have to strongly disagree. The league and Nike had several "Lebron talking to Kobe" puppet commercials produced prior to the finals. I was laughing my ass off when they ran those commercials, because I knew they had bet on Cleveland meeting LA and it didn't happen. It was classic. Stern's wet dream never happened.

As for the reffing, assuming it has been done poorly (and I don't think all of it has been), why does Stern have to be responsible? Why wouldn't the refs just do it on their own? They are humans with egos. If they are pissed at people, that could be enough to influence some of their decisions. You don't need Stern's involvement to get some bad calls.
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If there aren't enough calls against Howard or Kobe and the lakers people complain and say something is up. Now there are calls against them and teams like OKC get some calls and what......something is up??
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Fuck, beat a team by 20 + and forget about calls!
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I seem to remember you saying this earlier in the year. I'd love to just copy and paste my old post but I can't find it.

Look, if it was fixed, why the hell wouldn't the league have helped Lebron beat the Magic last year? There were several opportunities to totally swing momentum. For example, the Magic stole one of the first two games in Cleveland. The Cavs were up by 20 in that game. If the league was fixed, the refs would have done something to hault Orlando's run and ensure that Cleveland won that game.

Now, if you don't think the league would have prefered Cleveland in the final, I'm going to have to strongly disagree. The league and Nike had several "Lebron talking to Kobe" puppet commercials produced prior to the finals. I was laughing my ass off when they ran those commercials, because I knew they had bet on Cleveland meeting LA and it didn't happen. It was classic. Stern's wet dream never happened.

As for the reffing, assuming it has been done poorly (and I don't think all of it has been), why does Stern have to be responsible? Why wouldn't the refs just do it on their own? They are humans with egos. If they are pissed at people, that could be enough to influence some of their decisions. You don't need Stern's involvement to get some bad calls.
I posted an article about this a while back too. How the NBA would definitely have benefited a lebron vs. kobe final last year. And also would have avoided the worst Det vs. SAS final or all of Duncan's 4 rings. Even a sweep of the Cavs by the Spurs in the final.

But after the complaints from Van Gundy, this series definitely looked like it was sending a message. The fouls he got were brutal. For a game or two I understand, but for that long? That many touch fouls on Dwight? Really?

I'm not sure.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:54 AM   #15 (permalink)
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*takes the bait*

I seem to remember you saying this earlier in the year. I'd love to just copy and paste my old post but I can't find it.

Look, if it was fixed, why the hell wouldn't the league have helped Lebron beat the Magic last year? There were several opportunities to totally swing momentum. For example, the Magic stole one of the first two games in Cleveland. The Cavs were up by 20 in that game. If the league was fixed, the refs would have done something to hault Orlando's run and ensure that Cleveland won that game.

Now, if you don't think the league would have prefered Cleveland in the final, I'm going to have to strongly disagree. The league and Nike had several "Lebron talking to Kobe" puppet commercials produced prior to the finals. I was laughing my ass off when they ran those commercials, because I knew they had bet on Cleveland meeting LA and it didn't happen. It was classic. Stern's wet dream never happened.

As for the reffing, assuming it has been done poorly (and I don't think all of it has been), why does Stern have to be responsible? Why wouldn't the refs just do it on their own? They are humans with egos. If they are pissed at people, that could be enough to influence some of their decisions. You don't need Stern's involvement to get some bad calls.
Well Dwight and Vince are both plenty popular enough.

Dwight especially.
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I posted an article about this a while back too. How the NBA would definitely have benefited a lebron vs. kobe final last year. And also would have avoided the worst Det vs. SAS final or all of Duncan's 4 rings. Even a sweep of the Cavs by the Spurs in the final.

But after the complaints from Van Gundy, this series definitely looked like it was sending a message. The fouls he got were brutal. For a game or two I understand, but for that long? That many touch fouls on Dwight? Really?

I'm not sure.
Well, I do definitely think that Dwight got called for "breathing on the opposition" a couple of times. However, he also swung a couple of really nasty elbows, and there was frequently a lot of pushing going on from both ends. Dwight didn't help his case with those more obvious fouls. McChale even ran a clip showing how blatant some Dwight's fouls were. I think that would have put him on the refs radar. Honestly, I think those guys have egos and sometimes take offense to people trying to take an extra mile on their watch. But, of course, I can only speculate. Also, the Charlotte bigs got a lot of fouls called against them, too. So, it's not like Dwight got called while Charlotte got away with everything. The whistle was just blowing too much in general on border line plays, in my opinion. The fact that Dwight was in foul trouble stands out because he is WAAAAAAY more important than any Charlotte big. Although there are objective rules, they can be subjectively applied. Who knows what's going on in those refs heads some days? I certainly would believe it if a couple of individual refs really dislike Dwight, but I don't buy a conspiracy coming from the top.
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Well Dwight and Vince are both plenty popular enough.

Dwight especially.
- They are popular.

- Last year, during the Cavs versus Orlando series, Vince wasn't there.

- The main point of my post is that the Nike and the NBA both had commercials set up involving Kobe and Lebron. That's as close as the league and its affiliated marketers can come to disclosing what they expected to happen/wanted to happen. But it didn't happen. If it was fixed, they'd have made happen what they wanted to happen.
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i never watched that series but didnt lebron have like 20 FTA a game? who knows the plans of stern and these mobsters. Maybe it wasnt the right time with all the allegations so they decided to milk the next best thing Dwight and build him up for future years while making mad bets on the solid spread or maybe the refs did try for lebron vs kobe and lebrons teammates just choked hard as obviously if the refs are rigging it they wont make it blatantly obvious and give one team 40 more FT`s ect . Tough to say without watching the series.

Rigged or not, i wont watch any non Raptors playoff ball no more. Not until stern is polygraphed or robot referees are brought in . All in all im sick of these commentators that seem set on trying to sell me shit, half the broadcast used to boast allstars. If the Raptors arent playing i just cant support this garbage no more, being a rapto fan has made me bitter as hell
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i never watched that series but didnt lebron have like 20 FTA a game? who knows the plans of stern and these mobsters. Maybe it wasnt the right time with all the allegations so they decided to milk the next best thing Dwight and build him up for future years while making mad bets on the solid spread or maybe the refs did try for lebron vs kobe and lebrons teammates just choked hard as obviously if the refs are rigging it they wont make it blatantly obvious and give one team 40 more FT`s ect . Tough to say without watching the series.

Well, since you didn't watch the series, it would be difficult for you to know where we're coming from. Yes, Lebron did go to the line a lot, but so did the Orlando Magic players. In a couple of the games, the whistle was blown too quickly on both sides. As a team, Orlando came out ahead.

Here are some facts:

Lebron averaged 15.6 FTA/game. But that needs to be put in the context of how often each team went to the foul line. Since Lebron handles the ball so much for Cleveland, it should be expected that he'd get a huge portion of his repsective team's Free Throw Attempts (FTA). Overall, Orlando still got to the line a little bit more than Cleveland.

Game 1 FTA:

Cleveland - 17
Orlando - 14

Game 2 FTA:

Cleveland - 26
Orlando - 25

Game 3 FTA:

Cleveland - 35
Orlando - 51 (The Magic shots 16 more free throws in a critical game).

Game 4 FTA:

Cleveland - 36
Orlando - 27

Game 5 FTA:

Cleveland - 34
Orlando - 41

Game 6 FTA:

Cleveland - 22
Orlando - 21
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I think comparing free throws is a bad way to compare ref favoritism. It's not always about the calls, it's more about the NON-calls.

Last night the lakers and thunder game, I saw at least 5 non-calls in the first 9 minutes in favor of the lakers.

Then the called a foul on the thunder when there was ZERO contact on a Kobe fade-away jumper. The disparity there isn't 2 ft's to 0.

It really is

2 ft's to -6 ft's to account for the plays where a player should have been at the line. You have an 8 point swing right there.

Then you have "turnovers" that happened on fouls. No wonder LA started up 14-1.
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