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Acie 11-14-2009 03:13 PM

Stan Van Gundy on Retiring No. 23: '(Jordan) Is Not Jackie Robinson'
 
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LeBron James can stop wearing his No. 23 if he wants -- in deference to Michael Jordan -- but asking the rest of the league to follow his lead is only showing his immaturity.

Magic coach Stan Van Gundy was asked Friday morning about James' request, and he didn't hesitate to say he thinks the idea is misplaced.

"It's a nice gesture, but he (Jordan) is not Jackie Robinson. Baseball did it because it had historical significance,'' Van Gundy said. "There actually were guys before Michael who could play the game. Then you should retire numbers that (Bill) Russell, Wilt (Chamberlain), and certainly Oscar (Robertson) wore. I understand LeBron didn't grow up watching those guys, but still. ''

Van Gundy was speaking after his team practiced Friday morning, preparing for the New Jersey Nets. He also rolled his eyes when asked about the Miami Heat retiring Jordan's No. 23 in the spring of 2003 as a show of respect. He was there as an assistant under coach Pat Riley at the time. He obviously didn't like that idea, either.

"I wasn't in the banner department,'' he said. "I'm just not one of those guys who thinks unquestionably that he (Jordan) was the best player of all time. I don't buy that. We've had a lot of great players at a lot of positions, so what are you going to do? Retire all the numbers, and pretty soon our guys will be wearing No. 327 because all the two-digit numbers are gone.''

LINK - nba.fanhouse.com

Torontosaurus 11-14-2009 03:18 PM

Stan is hilarious, he's always ready to mix it up no matter how ridiculous the topic is

zachus 11-14-2009 03:30 PM

Preach on Stanny

finstock 11-14-2009 03:35 PM

Lebron's change is merely an attempt to better his image and moral sense while drawing even more attention to himself. And retiring a number on a league-wide basis is remarkably trivial IMO.

Stan Van rules! His mustasche should be retired within the Magic's organization.

Ligeia 11-14-2009 04:08 PM

Like doc rivers said the other day, switching to 6 makes no sense because a certain player who you might have heard of wore that number: Bill Russell.

Cory 11-14-2009 05:02 PM

Part of the reason he's switching numbers is to separate and distance himself from Jordan. When people think 23, then think Jordan. He doesn't want to be in MJ's shadow. He wants to surpass him in greatness. One way to help do that is get yer own number, and stand out a bit more.

And part of it might be out of respect for MJ.

CB4Real 11-14-2009 05:11 PM

see i hate that people are saying this about lebrons ideas becasue yes there were guys as successful or people thought they were better then lebron but as a kid i lived in turkey and people including me would know the name micheal jordan without knowing what he did or who he was when i found out who he was and watched him in games i was shocked...this guy is something i truelly remember and wont forget people can say all they want about bill russell, larry bird, julies erwing, oscar, you name it ive seen em all but Jordan is someone who truelly changed the basketball world and the world it self. He had a big impact on my life. Thats why im for this lebron good idea its sucks people are being jackasses about it:(

Gurk 11-14-2009 05:21 PM

I totally agree with what Stan said. No point in retiring his number. Sure he was great but not the best ;)

Bmats7 11-14-2009 06:51 PM

He's just bitter than lebron spanked his team.

Belsius 11-14-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7 (Post 268731)
He's just bitter than lebron spanked his team.

You mean when Orlando owned the cavs and lebron in the playoffs?

Bmats7 11-14-2009 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius (Post 268735)
You mean when Orlando owned the cavs and lebron in the playoffs?

His strategy was let Lebron rape them and hope that their other guys would be shit and not be able to knock down open shots.

It worked.

By the way, didn't hockey retire 99 for Gretzky? What did he do that was so groundbreaking (other than being amazing). He's very similar to Jordan and Phil Jackson agrees they should retire 23.

Claudius 11-14-2009 07:33 PM

Bmats, Gretzky was a phenomenon the second he entered the league. Hell, the game's rules had to be changed for him, he was that dominant. And even still there's debate around who's better either Orr or Howe or Gretzky.

Jordan though was coddled and protected by the NBA. Now, Stan makes a good point. If you're retiring Jordan why not guys like Russell, Robertson etc. who were just as dominant and considered the best?

Also, the phenomenon of Jordan came at the right time. Globalization and the television along with the breaking down of communism and opening up the world even more, all contributed to the world wide growth of Jordan which was assisted by the new and rising company Nike who with their marketing power accompanied with the NBA were able to take full advantage. I believe this is why so many people view him as the all time best because this never existed for any of the other players. If it didn't, then I think the way we view him would be vastly different. With Gretzky, it's different because we as Canadians and Americans to an extent recognize hockey as a regional sport and have grown up with many of the players. Its why we see a guy like Ovechkin as a notch below Gretzky and know it when we see it. In Europe, I wonder how big Gretzky even is because I guys like Jagr and Tretiak can be considered just as good (depending on context).

jeffb 11-14-2009 07:42 PM

I always find retiring Jersey's league wide is rediculous. Doing it by team, sure. But the whole league??

highonpsi 11-14-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurk (Post 268695)
I totally agree with what Stan said. No point in retiring his number. Sure he was great but not the best ;)

Did you watch MJ play in, umm I don't know, 1992?

Belsius 11-14-2009 08:10 PM

Did you watch Bill Russel, Oscar Robertson, etc... play, highon?

LX 11-14-2009 08:23 PM

It seems like a way to get people to talk about something besides 2010. If that's the case I applaud him. If not, it's just dumb.

highonpsi 11-14-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius (Post 268756)
Did you watch Bill Russel, Oscar Robertson, etc... play, highon?

Nope, I never got to see George Mikan, Bob Cousy, Russell, West, Kareem, big O, Wilt. You?

I wasn't even born when MJ hit the game winning shot for North Carolina, but I have studied a lot about those players.

Belsius 11-14-2009 08:36 PM

so why do you attack gurk for not having watched jordan play live when you havent watched those other guys play live then? And what did you "study" about them, 1 minute youtube hightlight videos?

highonpsi 11-14-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Belsius (Post 268763)
so why do you attack gurk for not having watched jordan play live when you havent watched those other guys play live then? And what did you study about them, 1 minute youtube hightlight videos?

I didn't attack anybody.

He "STATED",

"I totally agree with what Stan said. No point in retiring his number. Sure he was great but not the best ;)"

Bmats7 11-14-2009 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by highonpsi (Post 268761)
Nope, I never got to see George Mikan, Bob Cousy, Russell, West, Kareem, big O, Wilt. You?

Judging by your display pic, you obviously haven't seen Bosh play either.


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