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Old 05-11-2010, 01:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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some real gems in this column. let's start with some vince stuff, just for kicks:

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THE BOBBY CLARKE AWARD FOR "BEST PLAYOFF MUG"

To Steve Nash, who got busted open by a Tim Duncan elbow, received six temporary stitches, came back with his eye swelling shut, then made some one-eyed shots to clinch Phoenix's improbable sweep over its biggest nemesis. First of all, try shooting a 3-pointer with one eye. I bet you miss. Second, if that had happened to Vince Carter, he would have been on the ground for 20 minutes, they would have had to carry him out on one of those neck-stabilizing NFL stretchers, and he'd be groaning in a dark hospital room right now while a plastic surgeon checked out the stitches. Third, it's bizarre that the best Canadian basketball player ever always ends up with hockey-like gashes and cuts; he should just get it over with and knock out his own front teeth. And fourth, if you're a Suns fan, that's exactly how that sweep needed to end: in San Antonio, with Nash banged up, with all the ready-made excuses in place -- only this time, the bad luck bounced right off the Suns like they were wearing a shield.
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THE MARK TWAIN/HALLEY'S COMET AWARD FOR "STRANGEST COINCIDENCE"

On the same night I attended my first Orlando Magic home game, my least favorite NBA player (Vince Carter) randomly decided to try in the second half and annihilated Atlanta. This was old-school Vince: cuffing one-handed rebounds over the rim, exploding through traffic for dunks, playing some (gasp) intense defense, even swishing 25-footers and skipping the other way with a front-running scowl. I immediately tweeted, "Should 'Vince Carter is trying' get a BREAKING NEWS spot on the ESPN ticker? I can't decide." In retrospect, yes. The world needs to know when Vince Carter tries.

The bad news for the other playoff teams? Nobody will beat the 2010 Magic in a seven-game series if Vince plays like that four times.

The good news for the other playoff teams? He's still Vince Carter. A real playoff team (namely, Los Angeles or Cleveland) will notice him gaining confidence like that, then just clobber him the next time he drives to the basket. That's the book on Vince: Knock him down once and he'll roll around on the floor for few seconds, get up grimacing and never be the same. Hey, Atlanta? You know your backup center with the giant noggin and bacne? Clumsy, rugged, a little hot-tempered? Pachulia? Um, I'm pretty sure God made him a basketball player so he could someday clothesline Vince Carter in a playoff series. It's the best possible explanation. You should have told Zaza to knock Vince's ass down. Assuming you wanted to compete.
and on rondo...

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THE MAGIC JOHNSON AWARD FOR "BOX-SCORE LINES THAT HAVE NO RESEMBLANCE TO ANYTHING ELSE CURRENTLY HAPPENING IN THE LEAGUE"

To Rajon Rondo, whose series-saving Game 4 against Cleveland (29 points, 18 rebounds, 13 assists, total control over the game) was a pantheon-level Celtics performance and had little in common with anything we've ever seen. Keep in mind

Since the 1986-87 season, only eight guards have grabbed 18-plus rebounds in ANY game (regular season or playoffs). Michael Jordan did it three times (once in the playoffs); Jason Kidd only did it once.

Larry Bird had 69 triple-doubles but never a playoff game that looked quite like a 29-18-13. The closest: 24-17-10 (1981, Chicago), 19-16-13 (1986, Milwaukee), 25-15-11 (1986, Houston), 18-16-11 (1987, Milwaukee), 24-18-10 (1990, New York).

Only Oscar Robertson (1962: 32-19-13) and Wilt Chamberlain (1967: 29-36-13) had at least a 29-18-13 in a playoff game before, and in the past 40 years, only LeBron (2007: 27-13-13) and Magic (1986: 29-15-14) had at least a 25-13-13. So, um yeah.

If you read my basketball book, you might remember how I created a 42 Club for playoff performers who averaged 42-plus for points, rebounds and assists combined for an entire postseason (12-game minimum). According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Rondo also joined Wilt in the 60 Club for players who submitted a 60 (points, rebounds plus assists) in one playoff game without scoring 30 points in that game. Wilt did it three times, all in 1967: 29-36-13, 24-32-13 and 16-30-19.

For the playoffs, Rondo is averaging 17.9 PPG, 11.4 APG, 7.1 RPG and 1.9 steals. According to ESPN ace researcher Alok Pattani, only Magic Johnson ever averaged a 16-11-6-2 in the playoffs, and he did it twice: 1983 (17.9, 12.8, 8.5, 2.3) and 1984 (18.2, 13.5, 6.6, 2.0).

We just compared Rondo to Magic, Wilt, Bird, Oscar and Jordan legitimately. Kind of insane when you remember I was writing about him in "Rajon The Late Bloomer" terms just two springs ago. I continue to think we should dump "The Big Three" nickname and just start calling Rondo "The Big One."
so many good things in this column - go check it out!

Bill Simmons: NBA playoffs, Round 2 awards - ESPN
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I love Simmons.
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have you read his basketball book yet? got ot for my b-day and started it last night. it's great.
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No, I haven't.

I should though and I should also read his other book Now I Can Die in Peace about the 2004 Red Sox.
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FANTASTIC!
i laughed out loud at the VC stuff. pure gold.
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that's some pretty awesome stuff.
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Carter's rebounding numbers at the ages of 30+ shows how hard he works. He dogged it a little at the end of his tenure with the raps.

He worked hard all his years in New jersey and early days with the raps.

Now he's getting national coverage again and ppl are on his balls because they see what he's been doing the whole time. And he's not even having that great a year.
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so tempted to use the facepalm smiley...

bmats - what you are intimating is that bill simmons hasn't been watching vince closely and is only now covering him because of a sudden increase in productivity. you may not read his stuff, which is fine, but you should probably realize that simmons has been watching vince closely for years. he loved him in his early rapos days until vince became his least favourite pro athlete. he devotes many, many references to vince in his book and has a particular interest in him. this is not new by any stretch of the imagination.
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Where's jeff to complain about someone from the USA's biggest sports media outlet using a hockey analogy for Nash?
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Where's jeff to complain about someone from the USA's biggest sports media outlet using a hockey analogy for Nash?
give it a little time, rock star.
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very good usage, big fella. quite correct.
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so tempted to use the facepalm smiley...

bmats - what you are intimating is that bill simmons hasn't been watching vince closely and is only now covering him because of a sudden increase in productivity. you may not read his stuff, which is fine, but you should probably realize that simmons has been watching vince closely for years. he loved him in his early rapos days until vince became his least favourite pro athlete. he devotes many, many references to vince in his book and has a particular interest in him. this is not new by any stretch of the imagination.
Not Bill Simmons in particular, but the media in general.

Go look at Carter's rebounding numbers the last few years and tell me how a lazy 30 year old ball player can average that many rebounds without trying.

One of the most underrated defenders and rebounders at the SG position and has been for years. I understand this is a Rap's forum and everyone still has Vince Dogging it (injured) in their mind, but that was a long long time ago.

The general lazy persona has been so over exaggerated it's ridiculous. You want to see a lazy ball player? Watch Paul Pierce this year.

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Not Bill Simmons in particular, but the media in general.

Go look at Carter's rebounding numbers the last few years and tell me how a lazy 30 year old ball player can average that many rebounds without trying.

One of the most underrated defenders and rebounders at the SG position and has been for years. I understand this is a Rap's forum and everyone still has Vince Dogging it (injured) in their mind, but that was a long long time ago.

The general lazy persona has been so over exaggerated it's ridiculous. You want to see a lazy ball player? Watch Paul Pierce this year.

um, Pierce averaged more rebs than VC this season.
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um, Pierce averaged more rebs than VC this season.
Yeah, but they were lazy rebounds.

And if we're talking about guards who can rebound, how about Jason Kidd? The guy has rebounded more than any 30+ guard with a bad knee than I've ever seen.
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If Vince wanted to try, he could be a dominant player in this league still.... rebounding included. But he doesn't care enough to put forth the effort. Not everyone has what it takes to motivate themselves and make the necessary sacrifices.
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Carter's rebounding numbers at the ages of 30+ shows how hard he works. He dogged it a little at the end of his tenure with the raps.

He worked hard all his years in New jersey and early days with the raps.

Now he's getting national coverage again and ppl are on his balls because they see what he's been doing the whole time. And he's not even having that great a year.
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um, Pierce averaged more rebs than VC this season.
Pierce also played beside Dwight?

If you watched the Magic this year, even during a massive shooting slump, Vince has not been lazy. So for anyone to say "he's starting to try in the playoffs" just because they're dominating, hasn't been watching the Magic this year.
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Pierce also played beside Dwight?
ok, you want to get specific?

i'll wait for your response to this:
Pierce has a career average of 6.1 rebs a game.... Vince has a career average of 5.3.

but as you say Pierce is lazy... and Vince's rebounding numbers are out of this world.
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