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Old 07-15-2014, 10:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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RT @GwashburnGlobe: Adam Silver said the league is considering the idea of a midseason tournament, similar to soccer. Interesting. #nba


Since I'm no soccer fan, what would this mean exactly? Anyone have any idea?
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Old 07-15-2014, 10:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Since I'm no soccer fan, what would this mean exactly? Anyone have any idea?
I can only guess that it refers to the CUP competitions that are played in parallel to the regular season. Competition is different as there are no standings and points, it's a knock out phase from the start but with a twist of playing one home and one away game per round.
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They should have 1 on 1 and 3 on 3 half court tournaments. Players should be able to pick there own teams.
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I'll add this from the same press conference

@SpearsNBAYahoo: Silver: New Replay Center up soon and will be experimented in WNBA in September. Ultimate decision still with refs.
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Could this have anything to do with the fact that the NHL gets plenty of thunder with "winter classics"? Maybe they want to create some form of tournament of teams at bigger venues or with some extra incentive.

For example, why not put Chicago, Cleveland, OKC and LA Clip in a 4 team tournament that counts in the standings, but somehow offers an incentive like a new arena / community centre for the team that does the best playing against the other 3 teams.

Different situation, but who would have thought they would get so many fans out?

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Could this have anything to do with the fact that the NHL gets plenty of thunder with "winter classics"? Maybe they want to create some form of tournament of teams at bigger venues or with some extra incentive.

For example, why not put Chicago, Cleveland, OKC and LA Clip in a 4 team tournament that counts in the standings, but somehow offers an incentive like a new arena / community centre for the team that does the best playing against the other 3 teams.

Different situation, but who would have thought they would get so many fans out?
Could very well be part of it. But I think it has as much to do with soccer and it being the number one sport in the world and the NBA seeing opportunities to grow the sport taking a page out of their book, it doesn't hurt that the world cup just ended. I think that they see opportunities though to add more revenue with a special event(s) in part due to the winter classic. Fact is, most "special events" sell well and why not take advantage of it.
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They should have 1 on 1 and 3 on 3 half court tournaments. Players should be able to pick there own teams.
3 on 3 divided by state by birth. It will lend credence to FIBA's push for a 3on 3 olympic sport which to date has gained no momentum.
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They have that in some leagues in Europe, but it ends up being just slightly more competitive than friendly games, I'm not a big fan of it
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Correct me if I'm wrong but don't leagues in Europe have winners of the league by most wins/pts not a final type thing. It makes sense for them to make tourneys, not NBA

Silver needs to understand, basketball won't reach FIFA type levels anytime soon.

I loved that 3 on 3 idea tho, maybe at all star weekend, sounds awesome
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It won't reach FIFA levels anytime soon but doesn't mean he shouldn't try to expand it and make it more exciting and popular.

And I swear if this means more games aka more injuries I gunn hate. There needs to be way less games. Like 58 maybe and then tourneys, playoffs, all-star games are more appropriate. But I doubt he'll reduce games, too much money loss I'd imagine... but if the tourney works and gets them more money then I hope they do reduce number of games instead of fitting this in to their already filled schedule.
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It won't reach FIFA levels anytime soon but doesn't mean he shouldn't try to expand it and make it more exciting and popular.

And I swear if this means more games aka more injuries I gunn hate. There needs to be way less games. Like 58 maybe and then tourneys, playoffs, all-star games are more appropriate. But I doubt he'll reduce games, too much money loss I'd imagine... but if the tourney works and gets them more money then I hope they do reduce number of games instead of fitting this in to their already filled schedule.
It doesn't make any sense to me from a business standpoint unless he incorporates a similar champions league format with euro,south. American teams. Now that would be really awesome. Having top 4 NBA teams by I guess record compete with top euro teams in a single knockout tournament would be really cool and help the fan base grow.

Having a tourney just with NBA teams sounds dumb, I see no point in it other then it being a useless gimmick and yeah, they need to cut games.

Also hockeys outdoor games are freaking awesome. NBA should follow NHL in some aspects, they do a lot of things right.

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It doesn't make any sense to me from a business standpoint unless he incorporates a similar champions league format with euro,south. American teams. Now that would be really awesome. Having top 4 NBA teams by I guess record compete with top euro teams in a single knockout tournament would be really cool and help the fan base grow.

Having a tourney just with NBA teams sounds dumb, I see no point in it other then it being a useless gimmick and yeah, they need to cut games.

Also hockeys outdoor games are freaking awesome. NBA should follow NHL in some aspects, they do a lot of things right.
True, guess we'd have to wait for more details on what it'd be. I doubt it'd be nba teams against nba teams because that just sounds like the playoffs :S I'd guess they'd be grouped up differently, don't get how though. Best players of divisions? IDK. But then that somewhat resembles a somewhat worse all-star game.
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Long grueling, hard fought NBA seasons. Cascading amounts of brutal road trips. Let's make it harder? Hmmmm? Let's make them all play a knockout style tournament mid season. We can have it in London, or Montreal, or Bangladesh. We can go full international mode with our NBA players. We can make this tournament have meaning. Like in Baseball, Yaaaah! Make it so the winners get automatic homecourt advantage in the playoffs! Boom. Love it, print it, own it.

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Injuries and an already long season are what make me think a tournament would have to be in the flow of a season where games count in standings with an extra incentive to win. Also, you would be setting yourself up for people to opt out if it has no bearing on the season. Everyone knows for example that if you show up for the allstar game, you party and you don't try hard at the game.
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Long grueling, hard fought NBA seasons. Cascading amounts of brutal road trips. Let's make it harder? Hmmmm? Let's make them all play a knockout style tournament mid season. We can have it in London, or Montreal, or Bangladesh. We can go full international mode with our NBA players. We can make this tournament have meaning. Like in Baseball, Yaaaah! Make it so the winners get automatic homecourt advantage in the playoffs! Boom. Love it, print it, own it.

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So maybe I can chime in regarding the type of mid-season tournament they may being referring to that could be compared to soccer in Europe. There's two tournaments in Europe outside of each leagues season matches. There's the Champions League/Europa League. Have the same function, but Champs League takes top 1-4 teams from each league, England's EPL, Spain's La Liga, German Bundesliga, Italy Serie A, French League 1, Portuguese league, etc, etc. they all get clumped into groups of, and play home and away matches. Top two teams advance to the knock out stages. There's three rounds after and a final. Europa league is basically the same extra they take the teams with records lower than the Champs league teams, usually lower profile teams and the 3rd place teams from Champs League group and run a similar tournament. One extra round I believe. There also domestic cup games which have teams playing other teams in different divisions in knockout games until the final. I can't imagine we could see either style unless the NBA started playing FIBA teams. But we could see the top teams from each division play for some cup, as someone suggested.
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I don't see an upside in this for teams and players, as winning a mid season cup wouldn't mean shit anyway. No one would care about that, it LOOKS like a pure money grab, and I'm sure the players union will never agree to it, unless it's part of the 82 game season. If it's an add on of games to where they'd be playing 90 regular season games, there's no way it's going to happen. If you're going to take 8 games out of the 82 game season and call it something, maybe it'll happen, but it's stupid to do so, because it's not really an accomplishment in the NBA anyway. Hopefully this doesn't happen.

In terms of the replay center, I'm extremely pleased that it'll be instituted next season. The only part that worries me is the wording, in that the refs on the court will still have full authority over the call even after speaking to the NBA head office who's reviewed it, which could still mean they may still go to the monitors and look at it and add on 20 unnecessary minutes to the game. I was hoping that they'd just go to the scorers table, put the headset on, talk to the league office who tells them what the right call is, they make the call, and then the game continues. Hopefully that is what the article meant, because I'm tired of these incompetent referees having to look at a replay for 3 minutes to determine if it's a clear path foul. Those are the worst, by far, as there's 3 referees out there in different positions on the court, and if they're paying attention, there should be no reason as to why they have to go review this play if at least one of them is close enough to see if it was a clear path foul. And don't even get me started on the flagrant fouls, which are now a complete farce.
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Since I'm no soccer fan, what would this mean exactly? Anyone have any idea?
It would probably have to be an international tournament, like a world cup, where the NBA reaps the financial benefits (much like the NHL is going to do by bringing back its world cup soon).

It will almost certainly not be a club competition as that would be extremely lame. First off, if the NBA were to choose teams to participate, people would cry foul and think it lends credence to the conspiracy theories involving NBA bias towards certain teams. Besides, it would be as competitive as an AS game. We don't need more AS games. I can barely stand to watch the one we already have. That's assuming the stars would even care to play. which they probably won't.

If it involved international club teams, that would be even worse. Champions league-type format doesn't work in basketball because the NBA is already the champions league. All the best teams and players are already there, it's not like Europe, where great teams and players are spread out. What's worse is that international team players might be motivated to play hard and impress scouts, so what happens when an NBA player gets hurt playing a pointless game against an over eager Brazilian team? No chance.

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Players are already getting injured enough as it is. I really don't think this idea will get off the ground if the players have a say.
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Well, it could be interesting. Let's say at ~41 games you take six division leaders plus two teams with next best records league wide. You put them in one city for a week. They play eight team sudden death tournament. That is three additional games at the most. Then you have the All Star festivities in the same city and then the break for a few days to give everyone some rest. Since all of those events would generate some nice revenue, they could set aside a portion of it for mid-season rewards to best team, MVP, sixth-man etc..

So the first few times you keep that event in NBA cities and later take it international i.e. Beijing/Tokyo, London/Paris/Munich/Madrid/Barcelona/Moscow, Rio/Mexico City/Buenos Aires etc..

Say what you want but it would be shitload of fun and would nicely promote the league and the game. And there are benefits for players from rewards money to exposure/endorsments and at the very least, for those not participating, rest.

And I think basketball needs this on a global level, for NBA to take charge in promoting the game, since FIBA sucks donkey cocks in every way imaginable.
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