The Shaq Experiment
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If one O'Neal ruined the Raptors will the other ruin the Cavs? That's the question I'm throwing out there. This year to get in shape, Shaq has a show where he trains among the best athletes and competes against them though he is 0-3 so far. It looks like he's good a lot left in the tank and I believe if the Diesel survives a beat down from Oscar de la Hoya next week he can average 20 and 10 with Lebron feeding him the rock. I believe this season with Shaq, Lebron can get 27 10 and 6 as it's very hard to get in the paint with a player likle Shaq on your team.

I think this experiment will be a success. Your thoughts?
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Don't fixate on numbers. He isn't there for numbers. It's intangibles.

He has rings.

Knows how to win.

Is savvy

is a competitor

can set real screens.

demands attention in the paint.

can create lanes (if you think you've seen lebron dunk so far, just fucking wait to see what he's gonna do beside Shaq)

his value will be pretty high to that team.
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Don't forget can guard Dwight in the paint or make life more difficult for him at least.
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I think creating space, defending monsters, and passing will all be invaluable. If he ends up being relied on to score too much, then it won't work so much.
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The bigproblem for any team on D is when you have to gargantuan dominant players, how do u gurad them both?
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Magic vs cavs playoffs is gonna be an interesting series. Wow so many power houses in the east what are we gonna do!!!
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Magic vs cavs playoffs is gonna be an interesting series. Wow so many power houses in the east what are we gonna do!!!
My Prediction:

1. Cleveland- 8. Miami 4-0 Cleveland
2. Boston- 7. Chicago 4-3 Boston
3. Orlando 6. Wizards 4-2 Orlando
4. Raptors 5. Hawks 4-2 Raps

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Cleveland Toronto- 4-0 Cleveland
Boston Orlando - 4-3 Orlando
Finals
Cleveland Boston 4-0 Cleveland

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If one O'Neal ruined the Raptors will the other ruin the Cavs? That's the question I'm throwing out there. This year to get in shape, Shaq has a show where he trains among the best athletes and competes against them though he is 0-3 so far. It looks like he's good a lot left in the tank and I believe if the Diesel survives a beat down from Oscar de la Hoya next week he can average 20 and 10 with Lebron feeding him the rock. I believe this season with Shaq, Lebron can get 27 10 and 6 as it's very hard to get in the paint with a player likle Shaq on your team.

I think this experiment will be a success. Your thoughts?

I think steve nash has some thoughts on that.



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The most entertaining part of the new reality show, "Shaq Vs."? The credits.

Tuesday's debut, which featured Shaquille O'Neal taking on Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in football, was a tad long and a bit contrived. It became decidedly more interesting, though, when the credits rolled and this name popped up as one of the executive producers:
Steve Nash.

There's an interesting back story here, one that explains in part some of the fractured relationships that defined the Suns' struggles last season.

O'Neal stole Nash's idea.

Shortly after O'Neal was traded to the Suns in February 2008, Nash mentioned to his new teammate a reality show he was pursuing. It would feature the Suns point guard taking on professional athletes in their own sport.

The topic didn't come up again until early in the 2008-09 season, when O'Neal boarded the Suns bus and told the team he would be starring in a new reality show in which he would be taking on, you got it, professional athletes in their own sport.

"You mean the idea you stole from me?" one Suns representative said he heard Nash say.

Nash eventually sought out an entertainment lawyer, according to sources, which is why he now has an executive-producer credit and the compensation that comes with it.

When reached Wednesday, Nash would not confirm the story.

"We collaborated on parts of the show," he said. "I support him 100 percent. I thought the first episode was a fantastic episode, and I can't wait for the next one."

That's something you would expect Nash to say. He often has played the role of locker-room peacemaker. He is known as a teammate who diffuses tough situations before they escalate.

In reality, a source close to Nash said, "Steve was pissed. He couldn't believe Shaq's lack of integrity."

The experience set the tone for some shaky chemistry on the court. Off it, Nash found himself in a difficult situation, trying to co-exist with a teammate who had blindsided him.

"He's moved on," the source said. "He really does want the show to succeed."

Calls made to O'Neal's representatives were not returned.

Being a teammate of O'Neal's is a bit like falling into the rabbit hole.

Several years ago, when O'Neal played for Miami, he referred to Nash's back-to-back MVP awards as "tainted." He later back-pedaled.

The 2008-09 season was trying from the start. The team struggled under new coach Terry Porter's deliberate system. In December, the Suns traded one of Nash's best friends, Raja Bell, with Boris Diaw, to Charlotte for Jason Richardson and Jared Dudley.

During the All-Star break, they fired Porter and replaced him with assistant Alvin Gentry, who steered the Suns back to their up-tempo ways. Several days after Gentry took over, All-Star power forward Amaré Stoudemire underwent season-ending surgery to repair a detached retina.

The Suns were out of the playoffs for the first time in five years.

Here's a hunch that when the Suns decided to trade O'Neal to Cleveland in late June, it helped Nash arrive at his decision to sign an extension with the Suns a month later.

Here's a hunch that chemistry on this team will be better in the 2009-10 season, too.

Nash enjoys playing for Gentry and is happy his friend Grant Hill is back. He'll have his pick-and-roll mate, Stoudemire, and an offense that should be more fluid.

Nash might be 35, but let's not forget he recently became the first NBA player to shoot more than 50 percent from the floor, 90 percent from the line and 40 percent from 3-point range for three consecutive seasons.

How long "Shaq Vs." lasts remains to be seen. It landed a 2.7 rating locally, which means approximately 48,670 Phoenix homes tuned in to the ABC show. NBC's "America's Got Talent" received a 7.6 rating locally, and CBS's "Big Brother" took a 3.9 rating.

In future shows, O'Neal is scheduled to compete against swimmer Michael Phelps, boxer Oscar De La Hoya and tennis star Serena Williams.

O'Neal might have other battles in his future as well. Author Todd Gallagher says the show is a rip-off of his book, "Andy Roddick Beat Me with a Frying Pan," according to TMZ, and is pursuing legal action.

"Shaq Vs." is a reality show, but O'Neal's life more resembles a drama.

The Suns are better off without it.
Nash probably won't do it now and it would be actually better if he did.


Shaq's behind-the-back move





that is so low especially for such a famous, funny guy. I've lost quite a bit of respect for shaq.



I think he'll probably mess up cleveland and they won't make it out of the eastern conference finals if they make it that far.
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My Prediction:

1. Cleveland- 8. Miami 4-0 Cleveland
2. Boston- 7. Chicago 4-3 Boston
3. Orlando 6. Wizards 4-2 Orlando
4. Raptors 5. Hawks 4-2 Raps

Round 2

Cleveland Toronto- 4-0 Cleveland
Boston Orlando - 4-3 Orlando
Finals
Cleveland Boston 4-0 Cleveland

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Cleveland LA 4-0 Cleveland!
i think we'll win at least one game. shaq can't defend outside the paint cause he's too slow and andrea will shoot wide open shots or shots over him.

turkoglu will get some shots on lbj too. i think we can win 1 or 2 games out of that series if we try and most of the games should be close.
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If one O'Neal ruined the Raptors will the other ruin the Cavs? That's the question I'm throwing out there. This year to get in shape, Shaq has a show where he trains among the best athletes and competes against them though he is 0-3 so far. It looks like he's good a lot left in the tank and I believe if the Diesel survives a beat down from Oscar de la Hoya next week he can average 20 and 10 with Lebron feeding him the rock. I believe this season with Shaq, Lebron can get 27 10 and 6 as it's very hard to get in the paint with a player likle Shaq on your team.

I think this experiment will be a success. Your thoughts?
I'm not sure how Jermaine "ruined" the Raptors. The Cavs play a half court game and they have Big Z coming off the bench. Shaq is not going to have to play big time regular season minutes and he's playing in a system that fits his game. He's still strong enough in the paint to justify a double team at times yet teams won't be able to do it with LBJ and Mo waiting to shred them. The Cavs are going to be strong even if Shaq goes down for the season.
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i think we'll win at least one game. shaq can't defend outside the paint cause he's too slow and andrea will shoot wide open shots or shots over him.

turkoglu will get some shots on lbj too. i think we can win 1 or 2 games out of that series if we try and most of the games should be close.
Yeah offensively we're good but the Cavs have some guy named Shaq who has 27 000 career points and some guy named Lebron . I think he won MVP.
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The shaq move won't get them any further then last season. IMO they'll be lucky to get out of the 2nd round, depending on who they play.
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The shaq move won't get them any further then last season. IMO they'll be lucky to get out of the 2nd round
Doubt it. What possible 4th seed can beat them (besides the Raptors)?
Hawks? NO! Wizards NO! Heat NO! Knicks?????
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I hate it

Cavs offense was awesome last year because they pushed the tempo and created a freeflowing game, as opposed to the Lebron pounds the shotclock in the halfcourt crap they had before. - let's add fatass Shaq who we have to feed in the post all day and build a pound it in halfcourt game around. Lebron's lanes will be major closed up with a Varejao and Shaq frontcourt, I think the offense is going to look like it did in 2006 again

They lost to the Magic because they couldn't defend the pick and roll or Dwight's footspeed. - let's add Shaq who's THE worst pick and roll defender in the league

Cavs fixed what wasn't broken and I think it's going to bite them in the ass... The only way I could see this working is if Shaq willingly accepts being a role player, that is a C who focuses on defense, rebounding, and being a trailer only offensively to the Cavs fastbreak. If Shaq wants to pull the shit he did last year trying to prove he's still an offensive threat and asking for post-ups, they will fail in the 2nd round

This move reminds me of so much of Dallas going after Kidd. They basically got him because he was an available HOFer, without considering how he'll fit on the team. Cleveland should've realized the difference between 08 LA and 09 LA was not a major splash move... it was Trevor Ariza playing timely defense and hitting clutch 3s, allowing them to survive when Odom went into hibernation. Cleveland needed to rely on those small moves and then the experience taking care of the rest. Getting a PF who can cover Lewis. Getting a C with the legs to keep up with Dwight. NOT SHAQ.

The offseason I loved this year other than the Spurs', was the Nuggets. THAT is what you do when you get painstakingly close (I think Denver was closer to the title than Orlando) but come up short. Ty Lawson is definitely the most underrated pickup of this summer, because Derek Fisher will absolutely not be able to guard him as he'll be like the fastest player in the league. Denver was getting nothing from Billups against Fisher because of his strength, but Lawson like Brooks will just blow right by him repeatedly, and with his NCAA history he has big game experience. Aaron Affalo gives you what Dahntay Jones does but you have to cover him at the 3 point line. I also think Melo will be more ready next year and won't crumble like he did after the first couple games this year. I think Orl is level and LA took an unnecessary risk with Artest. Spurs and Nuggets are the winners this summer IMO

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Don't fixate on numbers. He isn't there for numbers. It's intangibles.

He has rings.

Knows how to win.

Is savvy

is a competitor

can set real screens.

demands attention in the paint.

can create lanes (if you think you've seen lebron dunk so far, just fucking wait to see what he's gonna do beside Shaq)

his value will be pretty high to that team.
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I hate it

Cavs offense was awesome last year because they pushed the tempo and created a freeflowing game, as opposed to the Lebron pounds the shotclock in the halfcourt crap they had before. - let's add fatass Shaq who we have to feed in the post all day and build a pound it in halfcourt game around. Lebron's lanes will be major closed up with a Varejao and Shaq frontcourt, I think the offense is going to look like it did in 2006 again

They lost to the Magic because they couldn't defend the pick and roll or Dwight's footspeed. - let's add Shaq who's THE worst pick and roll defender in the league

Cavs fixed what wasn't broken and I think it's going to bite them in the ass... The only way I could see this working is if Shaq willingly accepts being a role player, that is a C who focuses on defense, rebounding, and being a trailer only offensively to the Cavs fastbreak. If Shaq wants to pull the shit he did last year trying to prove he's still an offensive threat and asking for post-ups, they will fail in the 2nd round

This move reminds me of so much of Dallas going after Kidd. They basically got him because he was an available HOFer, without considering how he'll fit on the team. Cleveland should've realized the difference between 08 LA and 09 LA was not a major splash move... it was Trevor Ariza playing timely defense and hitting clutch 3s, allowing them to survive when Odom went into hibernation. Cleveland needed to rely on those small moves and then the experience taking care of the rest. Getting a PF who can cover Lewis. Getting a C with the legs to keep up with Dwight. NOT SHAQ.

The offseason I loved this year other than the Spurs', was the Nuggets. THAT is what you do when you get painstakingly close (I think Denver was closer to the title than Orlando) but come up short. Ty Lawson is definitely the most underrated pickup of this summer, because Derek Fisher will absolutely not be able to guard him as he'll be like the fastest player in the league. Denver was getting nothing from Billups against Fisher because of his strength, but Lawson like Brooks will just blow right by him repeatedly, and with his NCAA history he has big game experience. Aaron Affalo gives you what Dahntay Jones does but you have to cover him at the 3 point line. I also think Melo will be more ready next year and won't crumble like he did after the first couple games this year. I think Orl is level and LA took an unnecessary risk with Artest. Spurs and Nuggets are the winners this summer IMO
Listen to supejudge. BTW, Shaq is 350lbs of pure muscle and is the fastest 7,2 350lb guy the NBA has seen.
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Doubt it. What possible 4th seed can beat them (besides the Raptors)?
Hawks? NO! Wizards NO! Heat NO! Knicks?????
If i were the Cavs i wouldn't want to play a healthy Wizards, Hawks or Raptors team. Sorry, but i don't think they're deep, their bench is not impressive at all and Shaq is gonna hinder them imo. We'll see, should be interesting.
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If i were the Cavs i wouldn't want to play a healthy Wizards, Hawks or Raptors team. Sorry, but i don't think they're deep, their bench is not impressive at all and Shaq is gonna hinder them imo. We'll see, should be interesting.
I beg to difer.

PG Williams/ Gibson
SG West/ Parker
SF LBJ/Moon (big mistake)
PF Powe/Varejao/ Jackson
C Shaq/ Big Z/ Hickson
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I beg to difer.

PG Williams/ Gibson
SG West/ Parker
SF LBJ/Moon (big mistake)
PF Powe/Varejao/ Jackson
C Shaq/ Big Z/ Hickson
So you're impressed with Gibson, Varejao, AP, Moon,Z, Hickson. They are a major injury to LBJ away from being the 8th seed @ best.
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Shaq in Cleveland will either be a huge success or a colossal failure.

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So you're impressed with Gibson, Varejao, AP, Moon,Z, Hickson. They are a mojor injury to LBJ away from being the 8th seed.
Ha, Lebron injured, that's a good one! If Lebron got an injury 1. he could either play through it badly (25 5 5) or they can just give it inside to Shaq. Ap is very reliable and deserves to win a championship. Gibson shoots lights out. Varejao brings good energy off the bench. JAMRIO MOON SUCKS! Z can bring some offense if he doesn't take threes and Hickson is very good in the post and can develop into a 10 and 7 guy.
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