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Old 04-26-2013, 01:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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That was a surprise (about Saunders) but good for Minny imo, Kahn was terrible: 89-223 record in 4 years.


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Former NBA head coach Flip Saunders is expected to return to the Minnesota Timberwolves as the team’s next president of basketball operations, NBA.com has learned.
Saunders, 58, has been negotiating a contract that, with option years, could run through the 2017-18 season and could be worth more than $9 million over the full five years, according to league sources who requested anonymity because they weren’t authorized to discuss the hiring.
The move, which could become official as soon as next week, would end David Kahn‘s controversial tenure after four seasons and an 89-223 record during which the Timberwolves’ failure to reach the playoffs stretched to nine consecutive seasons. Kahn’s contract includes a team option for 2013-14 that will not be exercised.
Minnesota owner Glen Taylor and Saunders had been meeting in recent weeks, with Taylor confirming a report in March that Saunders was representing a group of prospective buyers interested in purchasing the franchise. Taylor, who turned 72 last week, has been seeking a minority investor or investors who eventually could take over majority control of the club.
Saunders, contacted Thursday evening in Bristol, Conn., where he was working as an NBA studio analyst for ESPN, neither confirmed nor denied his return to the Wolves.
“That’s the same speculation that was out there last month,” he said.
Taylor did not return phone messages seeking comment. He has told associates he would not discuss the matter with the media.
Saunders is the most successful coach in Minnesota franchise history, posting a 411-326 record in 9 1/2 seasons and steering the team to eight consecutive playoff berths. His time with the Wolves coincided with forward Kevin Garnett‘s ascendancy from high school draftee to perennial All-Star, NBA Most Valuable Player in 2004 and shoo-in Hall of Famer.
The 2003-04 team reached the Western Conference finals before falling to the Lakers’ last Shaquille O’Neal-Kobe Bryant team. But the expectations that success fueled led to Saunders’ firing in February 2005 after stumbling to a 25-26 mark.
He later coached the Detroit Pistons, going 176-70 from 2005-2008 near the end of the Pistons’ dominant Eastern Conference run, and the Washington Wizards, where the Gilbert Arenas gun situation blew up a potential playoff team. The Wizards went 51-130 with Saunders before he was fired in January 2012. Last spring, Saunders served as a consultant to the Boston Celtics at the invitation of coach Doc Rivers. He joined ESPN’s NBA coverage crew this season.
A native of Cleveland and a point guard at the University of Minnesota, Saunders coached in college and then for seven seasons in the Continental Basketball Association. He was brought to the Wolves in May 1995 by former Gophers teammate Kevin McHale as Minnesota’s general manager, then added head coaching duties when Bill Blair was fired seven months later, in December of Garnett’s rookie season.
Saunders shed the GM title in the wake of Minnesota’s salary-cap violations uncovered in 2000 in its signing forward Joe Smith. A series of illegal contracts, including future seasons after Smith played for what was considered to be less than market value for two years, ultimately cost the franchise three No. 1 draft picks and a $3.5 million fine, still the largest in NBA history. Taylor was suspended for one year and McHale, the Wolves’ VP of basketball operations at the time, agreed to take a leave of absence for the 2000-01 season.
Sources close to Saunders say that, since exiting the Wizards job, he is comfortable with the prospect of a front-office job rather than a future coaching position. Despite his firing in Minnesota in 2005, Saunders and Taylor have maintained a good relationship.

David Kahn (by David Sherman/NBAE)
Kahn, hired in May 2009, took over a team that had missed the playoffs for five seasons and had posted losing records in the most recent four. He began an aggressive overhaul of the roster – more than one, eventually – and drew immediate criticism for drafting point guards with both the Nos. 5 and 6 picks that spring. Ricky Rubio, a heavily scouted prospect who fell to Minnesota after a poor workout with Sacramento, spent two more years in Spain before coming to the NBA and becoming one of the league’s bright young stars. Syracuse product Jonny Flynn, however, was a disappointment from the start and most recently played in an Australian pro league.
Wesley Johnson, the No. 4 pick in 2010, and Derrick Williams, the highest pick in Wolves history at No. 2 in 2011, also have been underwhelming in their young NBA careers. Other trades have helped rival clubs more than they have Minnesota (Al Jefferson and Corey Brewer). And after four years under Kahn, two of the Wolves’ three best players – All-Star power forward Kevin Love and center Nikola Pekovic – were scouted and drafted by McHale.
Kahn — a former sportswriter who got a law degree, worked in the Indiana Pacers’ front office and served as an executive in the NBA Development League — also made a pair of dubious, expensive signings. In July 2010, he signed failed big man-turned-NBA punchline Darko Milicic to a four-year, $20 million contract (though not fully guaranteed). The Timberwolves used the amnesty clause to rid themselves of Milicic in July 2012.
Also last summer, the Wolves lured Portland guard Brandon Roy out of injury-driven retirement with a two-year, $10 million deal; Roy lasted only five games this season before knee problems shelved him again. Kahn did sign Andrei Kirilenko back into the NBA after the former Utah forward’s one-year hiatus in Europe and added backcourt help via Alexey Shved of the Russian national team.
Kahn’s first hire as head coach, Kurt Rambis, went 32-132 in two seasons before being fired. His replacement, Rick Adelman, got the Wolves to 26-40 in the post-lockout 2011-12 season, then provided roster input that led to the acquisition of players such as Chase Budinger and Dante Cunningham and the departures of Milicic, Johnson and Michael Beasley, among others.
A rash of injuries this season – from Rubio’s remaining rehab of his March 2012 knee surgery to Love’s twice-broken hand, with significant games also lost by Budinger, Roy, Kirilenko and more – thwarted what Taylor, Kahn, Adelman and Minnesota fans felt would be the pursuit of a playoff berth. Taylor said in March that the injuries made it difficult to fully assess the team’s or Kahn’s performance. But sources said Taylor also planned to evaluate Kahn’s rapport with people inside the organization and in the NBA.
Adelman’s status for 2013-14 remains uncertain while his wife Mary Kay‘s health issues continue to be addressed. The veteran coach missed 11 games while doctors in Minnesota worked to determine the cause of her seizures.
Adelman, who will turn 67 in June, returned to pick up the 1,000th victory of his coaching career and has talked optimistically about the current roster’s potential. He and Saunders reportedly have a good relationship after years of competing on NBA sidelines, and the Wolves are hopeful that Adelman decides to return.

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Old 04-26-2013, 01:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 04-26-2013, 04:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Has anybody heard about this?? I didn't know Flip was after a team....at least, I'm assuming it's the same Flip...

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Old 04-26-2013, 05:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Perhaps ownership feels enough time has passed to judge the '09 draft. And the '10 draft. And, to a lesser extent, the '11 draft.
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Old 04-26-2013, 07:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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1) I suggested some time ago Flip to train Raptors
2) Kahn who? Wasn't Rick Adelman their coach?
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:37 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Kahn has completely fucked the TWolves draft wise, but he did build a nice team this season. But I'm sure it's painful as a TWolves fan knowing you could have had a Rubio Curry backcourt for the next 10+ years. That would have been epic, an absolutely perfect fit for both and what would have been one of the best, most fun to watch backcourts ever.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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the big blunder with taking rubio, and flynn over curry and derozan, i know rubio is a talent but obviously steph curry was the right pick, plus all these players at the time were rated in similar draft position in mocks, so it came down to who the team liked,

wesley johnson over cousins who was the enxt player selected

and d will over kanter, and jonas( on a side note you should look back on the draft, i think jonas might be the only good player in the top 10 in that draft besides the first overall pick in kyrie, and kanter might be good and if you like brandon knight which i dont)

everybody hates bc, but head to head in these draft khan had the better draft postion and had multiple first round picks and look at what he has done, where has bc had one shot every year and always was picking a couple of picks after

bc has to feel good about that
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He hosed the Blazers. That's his claim to fame. Made us pay 50 million for Batum, what a jerk.
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Old 04-27-2013, 01:45 AM   #9 (permalink)
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everybody hates bc, but head to head in these draft khan had the better draft postion and had multiple first round picks and look at what he has done, where has bc had one shot every year and always was picking a couple of picks after

bc has to feel good about that
I cant tell if this is a serious comment or not. BC should feel great because he GM'd slightly better at a certain point than a fellow horrible GM? So if someone does a horrible job, but there's someone who did the same job slightly worse, the person who did the slightly better job should feel good because they beat out one person despite being terrible and not getting the job done? Makes sense

On the point of that top 10 in the 2011 draft, Kanter, and Thompson will be solid starters in the NBA, but not stars. They'll be winning players on winning teams though who produce at a pretty solid level.

I think Kemba should be a good starter as well, but it all depends on his development and Charlottes roster the next 2 years, it could make or break his career.

And who's to say MIN couldnt have had both Curry and Rubio if they picked Curry first? A lot of teams wanted to stay away from Rubio knowing he'd stay in Spain. That duo would have been mindblowingly good.

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the big blunder with taking rubio, and flynn over curry and derozan, i know rubio is a talent but obviously steph curry was the right pick, plus all these players at the time were rated in similar draft position in mocks, so it came down to who the team liked,

wesley johnson over cousins who was the enxt player selected

and d will over kanter, and jonas( on a side note you should look back on the draft, i think jonas might be the only good player in the top 10 in that draft besides the first overall pick in kyrie, and kanter might be good and if you like brandon knight which i dont)

everybody hates bc, but head to head in these draft khan had the better draft postion and had multiple first round picks and look at what he has done, where has bc had one shot every year and always was picking a couple of picks after

bc has to feel good about that
Rubio has the talent to be a top 5 PG in the league, or atleast top 8. He was a solid pick, despite Curry being better. Decision to pick Flynn was horrible.

D-Will was thought of as a lock for 2nd overall. There was even rumblings of D-Will going to Cleveland believe it or not.

Not backing him up, just stating what I think. He has been horrible in the draft, just not those two situations IMO.
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list of some of the gems found by Kahn

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And who's to say MIN couldnt have had both Curry and Rubio if they picked Curry first? A lot of teams wanted to stay away from Rubio knowing he'd stay in Spain. That duo would have been mindblowingly good.
Minny could have picked both Rubio and Curry, and it doesn't matter who they picked first. Minny was picking back-to-back that year. The T-Wolves had the 5th and 6th picks.

It's worth noting, Minny also drafted Lawson with a later first round pick, and traded him away to Denver.

So Minny missed on Curry and Lawson, either of whom could have been kept to play with Rubio. And with Kahn's insistence on playing really small backcourts, they could have found time for all of them if they really wanted to. Just look at how they signed Barea and play him with Shved or Rubio at times.

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I cant tell if this is a serious comment or not. BC should feel great because he GM'd slightly better at a certain point than a fellow horrible GM? So if someone does a horrible job, but there's someone who did the same job slightly worse, the person who did the slightly better job should feel good because they beat out one person despite being terrible and not getting the job done? Makes sense

On the point of that top 10 in the 2011 draft, Kanter, and Thompson will be solid starters in the NBA, but not stars. They'll be winning players on winning teams though who produce at a pretty solid level.

I think Kemba should be a good starter as well, but it all depends on his development and Charlottes roster the next 2 years, it could make or break his career.

And who's to say MIN couldnt have had both Curry and Rubio if they picked Curry first? A lot of teams wanted to stay away from Rubio knowing he'd stay in Spain. That duo would have been mindblowingly good.
I don't really want to give any credit to BC, but you can't claim that he is bad at drafting. Not saying that his draft record is perfect, but it isn't bad either.
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Old 05-02-2013, 09:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I always thought Kahn got way too much heat for the '09 draft. Yeah, he made some mistakes but he also got Rubio for free. It was like getting Drummond for Kleiza. If that happened, no one would talk about Colangelo screwing the draft, regardless of what happens with Ross.

Btw, most of the Kahn bashing seems to come from Bill Simmons, it feels personal.
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