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Old 06-30-2011, 11:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well honestly we all knew trade speculation around Bosh would happen the moment maimi lost. Clippers would be down right stupid to put Bosh and Griffin in the same starting line up. Imagine clippers are doing this so Bosh can come off the bench, I would love, love, love to see that lmaoooo.
I agree 100% with u, because trading Bosh is like an insult, when you think off the day they all went crazy in miami then the next thing you know Bosh is out. i would love to see that.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:02 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I can see it now:

Chris Bosh for Kaman and Foye.

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Old 07-01-2011, 12:57 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Keep Bosh, trade Mr. Choke.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:21 AM   #24 (permalink)
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trade Bosh to shittiest team in the nba (besides us)
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Old 07-01-2011, 06:51 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Miami won't be forced to do anything. The owners want a hard cap long with reductions in the current deals. And there will likely be stuff phased in. The owners are not going to put themselves in a position where they are forced to drastically change their own teams.

I'll be interested when there is a real story, and not speculation that uses shit about a bachelor party as some kind of evidence.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:50 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Miami won't be forced to do anything. The owners want a hard cap long with reductions in the current deals. And there will likely be stuff phased in. The owners are not going to put themselves in a position where they are forced to drastically change their own teams.

I'll be interested when there is a real story, and not speculation that uses shit about a bachelor party as some kind of evidence.
There's only 3-4 teams that would be in a problem with that.
I'm sure the rest of the owners are just telling them to get bent.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:21 PM   #27 (permalink)
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maybe since everyone wants primo pasta to be traded we can trade him for Bosh
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:22 PM   #28 (permalink)
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maybe since everyone wants primo pasta to be traded we can trade him for Bosh
Oh god please let this come true. It would be the ultimate kick in the balls to Chris. Even better, Bargs goes on to the win the championship with Miami.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:43 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Miami won't be forced to do anything. The owners want a hard cap long with reductions in the current deals. And there will likely be stuff phased in. The owners are not going to put themselves in a position where they are forced to drastically change their own teams.

I'll be interested when there is a real story, and not speculation that uses shit about a bachelor party as some kind of evidence.
I agree totally. I actually think a new CBA will be in the Heats best interest if you think about it with an amnesty clause, say one of the big 3's salary wiped off the books, that's 17.5mil. That big 3 now costs you 35mil instead of 52.5mil. With that in mind, with a potential 63mil hard cap and only 47mil committed to salary (if there is an amnesty clause), signing a center like Nene or Dalembert plus a pg suddenly seems very doable.
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I agree totally. I actually think a new CBA will be in the Heats best interest if you think about it with an amnesty clause, say one of the big 3's salary wiped off the books, that's 17.5mil. That big 3 now costs you 35mil instead of 52.5mil. With that in mind, with a potential 63mil hard cap and only 47mil committed to salary (if there is an amnesty clause), signing a center like Nene or Dalembert plus a pg suddenly seems very doable.
Any amnesty clause is going to mean that you wipe off the salary but you must release the player.... you won't be keeping the salary you shake.
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Any amnesty clause is going to mean that you wipe off the salary but you must release the player.... you won't be keeping the salary you shake.
You sure? That would mean some teams would have to gut themselves or remove superstars - wouldn't make sense to me. That salary you wipe off the books would have to be paid still, if you release them as well, the players would be free to sign on big market teams for next to nothing.

Sorry, maybe getting it wrong but I thought the amnesty clause would be more about the books and getting teams under the hard cap if there was one. What you're proposing is just buying out the contract which teams can do now anyways.

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You sure? That would mean some teams would have to gut themselves or remove superstars - wouldn't make sense to me. That salary you wipe off the books would have to be paid still, if you release them as well, the players would be free to sign on big market teams for next to nothing.

Sorry, maybe getting it wrong but I thought the amnesty clause would be more about the books and getting teams under the hard cap if there was one. What you're proposing is just buying out the contract which teams can do now anyways.
The last time they did it, it meant having to release the player. The point of the clause would likely be to buyout contracts that are weighing down teams because the player's contract has become dead weight. It wouldn't be fair for a team to void themselves of a contract for Dwight Howard yet keep him and build a dynasty without having to count him against their cap. I'm not suggesting just buying out the salary.... I'm suggesting buying it out and not counting against the cap... and it's likely going to mean choosing only one contract.

Of course I'm not guaranteed to be right, but based on history, I'm likely correct in this regard.

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Possibly, just last time there wasn't going to be a hard cap which makes this scenario quite a bit different. Take a team like Dallas who is already at 63mil with only 10 players - does this mean the are stuck that way for a few years? They would definitely need that proposed 33% roll back just to be viable. I guess now that I write that, a 33% roll back in Dallas and Miami would have their salaries at 44mil - better position for both teams.
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Possibly, just last time there wasn't going to be a hard cap which makes this scenario quite a bit different. Take a team like Dallas who is already at 63mil with only 10 players - does this mean the are stuck that way for a few years? They would definitely need that proposed 33% roll back just to be viable. I guess now that I write that, a 33% roll back in Dallas and Miami would have their salaries at 44mil - better position for both teams.
Who knows, right.... but it would either be a roll back, an amnesty situation.... I'm sure there will be options for teams to meet any new cap
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Hmmm...I'm uncertain about the implications of an amnesty clause too. I assumed the team got to keep the player.

Even with an amnesty clause, a team like Orlando would not automatically become a dynasty. They have several bad contracts. If the amnesty clause allowed them to get Gilbert's contract off the books, they'd still have a high payroll and little flexibility.

Anyways, the league has to do something to account for the logistical difficulties that accompany all the surplus salaries on the books. You can't just drop the cap without a mechanism in place to help teams address their roster issues. Otherwise, you'll see a ridiculous amount of player movement, much of which is incredibly unfair. Teams will have to give players away for nothing.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.
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Hmmm...I'm uncertain about the implications of an amnesty clause too. I assumed the team got to keep the player.

Even with an amnesty clause, a team like Orlando would not automatically become a dynasty. They have several bad contracts. If the amnesty clause allowed them to get Gilbert's contract off the books, they'd still have a high payroll and little flexibility.

Anyways, the league has to do something to account for the logistical difficulties that accompany all the surplus salaries on the books. You can't just drop the cap without a mechanism in place to help teams address their roster issues. Otherwise, you'll see a ridiculous amount of player movement, much of which is incredibly unfair. Teams will have to give players away for nothing.

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Last time, I think Allen Houston was involved.... if I remember correctly. You can't have teams declaring their most important pieces free from the cap.. it's unfair to teams without max players.

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In 2005, the NBA agreed on a new collective bargaining agreement (CBA). The most striking innovation granted NBA teams a one-time option to release a player without his contract counting against the luxury tax threshold regardless of how long or how rich the contract was. The provision did not negate the player's contract, a team's obligation to pay the player, or the impact on the salary cap; it merely removed the player's salary when computing the luxury tax. This rule benefited teams that were in danger of facing the "luxury axe" penalty, a tax paid on salaries spent above a certain threshold of total team salary. The correct term is "amnesty clause," but because the team with the worst problems was the Knicks, and their worst financial liability was Houston, it was quickly dubbed the "Allan Houston Rule."[11] Ironically, the Knicks chose not to use the exception for Houston, but for forward Jerome Williams instead, since the Knicks correctly predicted Houston would retire due to lingering injuries over his last two seasons. As a result, Houston's contract counted a total of $40 million against the luxury tax threshold over last two years of the contract even though he did not participate in any games for the Knicks.
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Last time, I think Allen Houston was involved.... if I remember correctly. You can't have teams declaring their most important pieces free from the cap.. it's unfair to teams without max players.
Seems like salary reductions is the way to go, if they implement a hard cap.
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Seems like salary reductions is the way to go, if they implement a hard cap.
I agree. Seems like the most fair route to go for all teams if there truly is a hard cap implemented.
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Bargnani and Calderon for Bosh!

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Bargnani and Calderon for Bosh!

way too much to give up for a third option.
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