Rudy Gay is shooting 51.4% Since The Trade

forme123 · 01-13-2014, 12:03 AM

Looks like one those rare win-win trades for both teams so far

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LX · 01-13-2014, 12:08 AM

Just to be clear, he's shooting 51% in sacramento. He's improved his numbers on the year to 43.6.

jeffb · 01-13-2014, 12:11 AM

Yeah, he's been impressive. Today he had 20pts/5reb on 8-12 shooting. He's certainly being more selective. While here he was taking 18 shots (averaged 19ppg) per game in Sac he's taking 15 (averaging 21.6ppg).

**halphbreedballer** · 01-13-2014, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Yeah, he's been impressive. Today he had 20pts/5reb on 8-12 shooting. He's certainly being more selective. While here he was taking 18 shots (averaged 19ppg) per game in Sac he's taking 15 (averaging 21.6ppg).

To bad he didn't do that here...

jeffb · 01-13-2014, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by halphbreedballer

To bad he didn't do that here...

Bad fit with this roster imo and Casey was out to lunch with how to use him. If we needed to score, he automatically gave it to Gay every time and overall we played way too much isolation basketball which Casey has to take a good chunk of the blame imo.

just4_raps · 01-13-2014, 12:28 AM

good on Rudy. happy that he's found a good fit for himself in SAC.

now only if they can win consistently...

LX · 01-13-2014, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Bad fit with this roster imo and Casey was out to lunch with how to use him. If we needed to score, he automatically gave it to Gay every time and overall we played way too much isolation basketball which Casey has to take a good chunk of the blame imo.

Unless Rudy turned everything into an iso, and there's pretty good evidence that was the case.

Gay couldn't hit layups here, and he got a lot of them. What part of that is Casey's fault? Maybe Rudy just figured out he was going to be fucking up his future if he didn't start producing.

jeffb · 01-13-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LX

Unless Rudy turned everything into an iso, and there's pretty good evidence that was the case.

Gay couldn't hit layups here, and he got a lot of them. What part of that is Casey's fault? Maybe Rudy just figured out he was going to be fucking up his future if he didn't start producing.

Everyone played iso. DD was nearly as bad...imo at least part of that is on the coach. IMO he made a decision to live or die by running the offense 60% through Gay, 40% through DD and relying on both a great deal.

LX · 01-13-2014, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

Everyone played iso. DD was nearly as bad...imo at least part of that is on the coach. IMO he made a decision to live or die by running the offense 60% through Gay, 40% through DD and relying on both a great deal.

They ran the same sets. Yes everyone played iso, because they knew if they didn't that Rudy would. DD was not nearly as bad. He would pass it to Rudy quite often after driving and setting up some offense, only to have Rudy hold the ball and reset. The bad mix began and ended with Rudy. There's a reason that everything changed the moment he left.

jeffb · 01-13-2014, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by LX

They ran the same sets. Yes everyone played iso, because they knew if they didn't that Rudy would. DD was not nearly as bad. He would pass it to Rudy quite often after driving and setting up some offense, only to have Rudy hold the ball and reset. The bad mix began and ended with Rudy. There's a reason that everything changed the moment he left.

DD held onto the ball too much as well, we all commented on it in game threads. Hell, he did too much of that even before Gay got here imo. One of the best things i've enjoyed about Derozan's game in the last month has been his passing. He's taken that part of his game to another level.

Stonezz · 01-13-2014, 01:07 AM

Good fit in Sac for Rudy, his stats look pretty good.

Fröz-d · 01-13-2014, 01:36 AM

I think Big Boogie Cousins glaring at you after a stupid shot makes you a bit more selective.

TORaptor4Ever · 01-13-2014, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

DD held onto the ball too much as well, we all commented on it in game threads. Hell, he did too much of that even before Gay got here imo. One of the best things i've enjoyed about Derozan's game in the last month has been his passing. He's taken that part of his game to another level.

He's been passing it for a lot longer than that. His passing went to another level last season even BEFORE Gay got here.

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I think Big Boogie Cousins glaring at you after a stupid shot makes you a bit more selective.

lol... bingo! You can bet your ass that that has something to do with it.

Metallikid · 01-13-2014, 02:40 AM

This seems like a definite feet-to-the-fire boost for Rudy. Also some of the pressure is off now that he's playing second fiddle to DMC.

Aamir · 01-13-2014, 04:47 AM

Like what was said already.......he knows DeMarcus gon' beat his ass.

To be honest lets give him the rest of the year also to evaluate him....he played pretty well for Toronto when he came over last year aswell.

Metallikid · 01-13-2014, 06:16 AM

Please change the title. It should read "Rudy gay shooting 51.4% since the trade"

DocHoliday99 · 01-13-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal

Like what was said already.......he knows DeMarcus gon' beat his ass.

To be honest lets give him the rest of the year also to evaluate him....he played pretty well for Toronto when he came over last year aswell.

This

Diamond Scorpion · 01-13-2014, 08:40 AM

Good for him, but as long as he is not on our roster, I'm happy

LX · 01-13-2014, 10:18 AM

Another factor with the isos, aside from Rudy having tunnel vision, was defenses deciding to give them the perimeter shots and congesting the middle. Defenses did not have to move very much without the spacing provided by a three point threat. Now you have a lot of movement created by a guy like Demar getting doubled, whereas before he would have the open jumper from some distance, which defenses would concede, and not much there for anyone else. If Rudy had hit threes consistently, or not taken early offense off the table by always allowing defenses to get set, then things might have turned out better, but as it turned out there was just a lot of frustration for everyone involved and roles that went unfulfilled.

He's a player that needs others to make him better, and not one to make the others better.

**halphbreedballer** · 01-13-2014, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb

DD held onto the ball too much as well, we all commented on it in game threads. Hell, he did too much of that even before Gay got here imo. One of the best things i've enjoyed about Derozan's game in the last month has been his passing. He's taken that part of his game to another level.

This is soo true.

I would like to see his high school stats equate in the NBA & he is well on his way to those numbers:

Compton High Stats:
29.2 ppg, 7.9 rpg., 3.9 apg. and 3.0 spg., while shooting 82.0 percent from the free throw line.

I would like to see 25ppg, 6rpg, 5apg, 1.5spg., while shooting 82.0 percent from the free throw line.

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01-13-2014, 12:08 AM	#2 (permalink)
LX a fungus of confabulations In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 29,068 Representing:	Just to be clear, he's shooting 51% in sacramento. He's improved his numbers on the year to 43.6.

01-13-2014, 12:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
jeffb is the baby faced assassin Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: YO MAMMA Posts: 77,471 Representing:	Yeah, he's been impressive. Today he had 20pts/5reb on 8-12 shooting. He's certainly being more selective. While here he was taking 18 shots (averaged 19ppg) per game in Sac he's taking 15 (averaging 21.6ppg).

01-13-2014, 12:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
just4_raps stripes Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,963 Representing:	good on Rudy. happy that he's found a good fit for himself in SAC. now only if they can win consistently...

01-13-2014, 01:07 AM	#11 (permalink)
Stonezz is in the cut Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,264 Representing:	Good fit in Sac for Rudy, his stats look pretty good.

01-13-2014, 01:36 AM	#12 (permalink)
Fröz-d is chilly. Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Toronto Posts: 642 Representing:	I think Big Boogie Cousins glaring at you after a stupid shot makes you a bit more selective.

01-13-2014, 02:40 AM	#14 (permalink)
Metallikid threes and free throws Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,138 Representing:	This seems like a definite feet-to-the-fire boost for Rudy. Also some of the pressure is off now that he's playing second fiddle to DMC.

01-13-2014, 04:47 AM	#15 (permalink)
Aamir the boss Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Mississauga Posts: 4,686 Representing:	Like what was said already.......he knows DeMarcus gon' beat his ass. To be honest lets give him the rest of the year also to evaluate him....he played pretty well for Toronto when he came over last year aswell.

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Metallikid threes and free throws Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,138 Representing:	Please change the title. It should read "Rudy gay shooting 51.4% since the trade"

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Diamond Scorpion A True Diamond In The Rough Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pluto Posts: 3,653 Representing:	Good for him, but as long as he is not on our roster, I'm happy

01-13-2014, 10:18 AM	#19 (permalink)
LX a fungus of confabulations In the Paint Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 29,068 Representing:	Another factor with the isos, aside from Rudy having tunnel vision, was defenses deciding to give them the perimeter shots and congesting the middle. Defenses did not have to move very much without the spacing provided by a three point threat. Now you have a lot of movement created by a guy like Demar getting doubled, whereas before he would have the open jumper from some distance, which defenses would concede, and not much there for anyone else. If Rudy had hit threes consistently, or not taken early offense off the table by always allowing defenses to get set, then things might have turned out better, but as it turned out there was just a lot of frustration for everyone involved and roles that went unfulfilled. He's a player that needs others to make him better, and not one to make the others better.