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Old 03-01-2012, 11:56 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes, going forward Bayless is our only option....*sigh*

Beasley wasn't as destructive a teammate, he likes to smoke pot and not suprisingly, he's been caught doing it again while in Minny and they are now looking to trade him.

How did a change of scenery work for Isaiah Rider?

Listen, just because you have a hard on for a guy doesn't mean you shouldn't try and objectively look at the situation. Are you prepared to gut the roster and give up say JV and or/DD, an unprotected lottery pick or two and Barbosa? For a guy that's going to potentially come in and fued with the coach, anger and alienate his teammates and isn't even an elite player at his position. It's a gamble I wouldn't be prepared to take.

1. Minny has a wealth of talent at various positions. They're not trading Love. They're not trading Rubio. Probably not Pekovic either. So that leaves Williams and Beasley and the 2 assets that other teams would be interested in. I've heard Williams' name mentioned in some trade scenarios as well... does that mean that he's a problem? Or does it just mean that Minny realizes they're going to have to give up SOMETHING of quality if they want something decent back?

2. Who said anything about giving up JV and DD? The deal I proposed was Jose + Ed or our pick. That's hardly tearing apart the whole roster.

3. What crystal ball are you looking into that's showing you Rondo's future 100%? Does RF have connections in the Celtic lockerroom?

4. You don't get "elite players" at any position... unless you have WAY better assets than we do and luck into a good situation with a guy looking to leave his team. Teams just don't let those guys go. Rondo's pretty close though so you'd be silly to pass on him IMO.


If anyone's not being "objective" here it's you. I'm not a fan of Westbrook, but if we had a chance to swing a similar deal to get him I'd drive Jose to the airport lol. It's simply a good opportunity.

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Old 03-01-2012, 11:56 AM   #22 (permalink)
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how destructive is rondo? there's a difference between maturity issues and a bad personality. i've spoken before about the cast of characters that surround him and how they're not necessarily the ideal people to groom him to be a leader when they're nothing more than assholes themselves (pierce/garnett). maybe being removed from there would help him grow into his own.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:02 PM   #23 (permalink)
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how destructive is rondo? there's a difference between maturity issues and a bad personality. i've spoken before about the cast of characters that surround him and how they're not necessarily the ideal people to groom him to be a leader when they're nothing more than assholes themselves (pierce/garnett). maybe being removed from there would help him grow into his own.
I know that it's not talked about much but I really think that Perkins being traded hurt the team chemistry and hurt Rondo personally. Word is that they were very close. Could be playing a part in what's going on in Celts' lockerroom now.
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Wow. I would love to know what they clash about.... guy plays D, runs the offense and is unselfish to a fault. Weird....

I'd still give them Jose and our pick (or Ed) for him in heartbeat.
I said this a few months ago:

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Chemistry wise I don't think it's a great deal. All outward signs point to rondo being a problem in the locker rooqm, imo. you never hear much about it, but they've been way too eager to part with a productive young player. that should be a red flag to potential landing spots for him.

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We're not getting Rose, DWill or Paul. We MAY have the chance at a PG just below that tier
So you admit it now?
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:14 PM   #26 (permalink)
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So you admit it now?
Meh. Just can't be bothered with the B.S. TBH.

I'm really not sure what the Celts are going to do if they trade him though... they may as well just trade everyone and blow it up because they won't be going anywhere with the aged Big 3.

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Old 03-01-2012, 12:15 PM   #27 (permalink)
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1. Minny has a wealth of talent at various positions. They're not trading Love. They're not trading Rubio. Probably not Pekovic either. So that leaves Williams and Beasley and the 2 assets that other teams would be interested in. I've heard Williams' name mentioned in some trade scenarios as well... does that mean that he's a problem? Or does it just mean that Minny realizes they're going to have to give up SOMETHING of quality if they want something decent back?

2. Who said anything about giving up JV and DD? The deal I proposed was Jose + Ed or our pick. That's hardly tearing apart the whole roster.

3. What crystal ball are you looking into that's showing you Rondo's future 100%? Does RF have connections in the Celtic lockerroom?

4. You don't get "elite players" at any position... unless you have WAY better assets than we do and luck into a good situation with a guy looking to leave his team. Teams just don't let those guys go. Rondo's pretty close though so you'd be silly to pass on him IMO.


If anyone's not being "objective" here it's you. I'm not a fan of Westbrook, but if we had a chance to swing a similar deal to get him I'd drive Jose to the airport lol. It's simply a good opportunity.
First of all, you completely missed the point. You said a change of scenery was good for Beasley and yet he's still plagued by the same issues.

Ed and Jose + our pick is not going to get it done.

Also, do some research. The Celtics do not keep stuff in house very well and the Boston media are like vultures. His issues, since his arrival are all well documented.

We're not talking about a quirky guy like Rodman here, who you buy low and bring in and if it doesn't work out release. We're talking about an at times cantankerous douchenozzle who we'd have to give up a lot for with no guarantees. It's great if it pays off, but if it doesn't we set the franchise even further back and I don't think the Raps can afford to do that.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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First of all, you completely missed the point. You said a change of scenery was good for Beasley and yet he's still plagued by the same issues.

Ed and Jose + our pick is not going to get it done.

Also, do some research. The Celtics do not keep stuff in house very well and the Boston media are like vultures. His issues, since his arrival are all well documented.

We're not talking about a quirky guy like Rodman here, who you buy low and bring in and if it doesn't work out release. We're talking about an at times cantankerous douchenozzle who we'd have to give up a lot for with no guarantees. It's great if it pays off, but if it doesn't we set the franchise even further back and I don't think the Raps can afford to do that.
Meh. Beasley's producing on the court. I think THAT was everyone's main concern at the time.. whether or not he'd be able to step up his game consistently to be worth the risk. To his credit he has. Same thing with Rondo. His game is never questioned (unless you're talking about shooting) and his game is VERY, very good. Well worth the risk. Unless you have a better idea in mind?

If BOS thinks that they're getting a better deal than Jose, Ed AND our unprotected pick then they're fucking high. Jose is still one of the better PGs in the league and Davis is only in his 2nd year. Add in a top 10 pick and that's almost robbery in the Celts' favour TBH.
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ragarding him stepping up his game consistently: just for the record, beasley's ppg and fg% are lower this year than his career averages, and he's had 1 great game, a couple of ok ones, and a whole pile of garbage ones.
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ragarding him stepping up his game consistently: just for the record, beasley's ppg and fg% are lower this year than his career averages, and he's had 1 great game, a couple of ok ones, and a whole pile of garbage ones.
Beasley is still shooting pretty well though.

I think he's around 44FG% + 44 3PT%

And his ppg average is down because his minutes are down pretty significantly.

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Old 03-01-2012, 12:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Beasley is still shooting pretty well though.

I think he's around 44FG% + 44 3PT%

And his ppg average is down because his minutes are down pretty significantly.
That's what I was looking at more than anything else. Those numbers aren't too bad at all.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:53 PM   #32 (permalink)
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as much as i saw him last night he was terrible, airball after airball and bad decisions bad day i guess
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