Rodman: LeBron James would only be 'average' in 1990s
Old 06-07-2013, 07:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rodman is obviously a bit of a loose cannon and not always well articulated, but I am wondering what people's thoughts are on this topic.




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Hall of Famer Dennis Rodman said on the Dan Patrick Show Friday that LeBron James would only be “average” if he played during his era.

Rodman, who helped the Detroit Pistons win two NBA championships in the late 1980s, won three more titles with the Michael Jordan-led Chicago Bulls in the 1990s.

“It’s really not a comparison. If LeBron was playing in the late ’80s and early ’90s he would be just an average player,” Rodman said. “To do what Michael has done ... what he did was more charisma, there was more articulating and stuff like that. LeBron is more like ... there’s no flash to his game. He’s a great player, don’t get me wrong, he’s a hell of player, I’ll give him that. But to me Scottie (Pippen) and Michael are probably the two best 1-2 punches I’ve ever seen.”

Rodman also said Jordan would average at least 40 points per game in the current NBA.

“I’m just sick and tired of people comparing (James) to Michael Jordan,” Rodman said. “It’s a whole different era, man.”

Rodman said the NBA game was much more physical then than it is now.

“LeBron came into the age of the game at a perfect time,” Rodman said. “Michael came into the game when back then you could hit people, knock him down, shoot a free throw and get back up. And LeBron can’t do that. All they do today is (complain) about a foul. All they do is (complain).”

So how would James and the Miami Heat stack up against the 1990s Bulls?

“It would be no contest,” Rodman said. “The Heat has better talent than we had, but we had smarter players. That’s the only thing we had, smarter players. ... I would take (Chris) Bosh out of his damn game easy. That’s not even a problem. And how would Dwyane Wade match up with Scottie Pippen? Really? And Scottie Pippen would guard LeBron easy. And how are you going to cover those two guys (Jordan and Pippen)?”

James won his first NBA title with the Heat last year and trail the San Antonio Spurs 1-0 in their best-of-seven NBA Finals series.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:20 PM   #2 (permalink)
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just average, I don't think so...

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Old 06-07-2013, 07:22 PM   #3 (permalink)
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That's laughable. I wonder how other players would be if the best player in the world would be average.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why do older player, hell older people in general always try to convince everyone that the players in their generation were better. This guy is a loon on a good day, whatever. He was a great player and is in the HOF, he needs to stfu and enjoy his next tour of North Korea.
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Old 06-07-2013, 07:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I always felt about lebron's game that it lacks grace, he's just not pretty to watch. Even now, when his jumper is as deadly as anybody's, his shot is not pretty. He's spectacular to see in movement, but I really dislike his shooting mechanics.

Other than that, rodman is crazy, lebron is as strong as any player ever - in general players are stronger these days, and lebron is a freak among them. I doubt hitting lebron would have accomplished anything, he doesn't seem to be too bothered by it.

I do agree about the bulls beating miami, they were a more rounded team and probably better defensively too. But it depends which bulls team you're talking about - their best team would have no troubles with miami, their worst would have been much closer.
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back then you couldn't double team...

imagine a lebron iso every time down the floor? he would average 40 a game. he'd be nearly unstoppable
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^ +1, only thing I agree with Rodmon is comparing players in different eras, it's really subjective and people should get away from it and stats, style of play, and all that don't mean a player wouldn't be great in a different era... the player would of adjusted and grown in that league. Like I can easily say Jordan couldn't ever win a tittle in the 80s because LAL and BOS practically had 4/5 HOFers and Bulls didn't have enough. Team in the 80s usually had like 3 (sometimes 4) potential 20 point players in a team and ATLEAST 5 players over 10 points (usually 6) and Bulls team only consisted two players capable of scoring over 20 and usually 3 (rarely 4) players who can score over 10. (Just an example of the competition 80s vs 90s).
point was that Jordan would of probably would have gotten another crazy all-star/hofer on his team and probably would have got a ring. Same way Lebron would have toughened up, and adapted to be as good as he is today just my honest opinion.

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yeah, the best player in the league for how many seasons now who can practically play any position on the court would definitely have trouble in the 90s lol
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back then you couldn't double team...
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I may be wrong on the timing of it but I know that in jordan's era you had to stick to your man and not violate the defensive zone of one of your teammates (or something to that effect) or else you would get called for it, I think it was called a zone violation?

some people on here know more about it than me since it was before my time
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I may be wrong on the timing of it but I know that in jordan's era you had to stick to your man and not violate the defensive zone of one of your teammates (or something to that effect) or else you would get called for it, I think it was called a zone violation?

some people on here know more about it than me since it was before my time
Illegal defence. And you could definitely double team, except off the ball from the weak side.

http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html

See, particularly, 1981-2, 1994-5, and 1999-2000

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NBA.com - NBA Rules History

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1981-82
• Zone defense rules clarified with new rules for Illegal Defensive Alignments.
a. Weak side defenders may come in the pro lane (16’), but not in the college lane (12’) for more than three seconds.
b. Defender on post player is allowed in defensive three-second area (A post player is any player adjacent to paint area).
c. Player without ball may not be double-teamed from weak side.
d. Offensive player above foul line and inside circle must be played by defender inside dotted line.
e. If offensive player is above the top of the circle, defender must come to a position above foul line.
f. Defender on cutter must follow the cutter, switch, or double-team the ball.
• After the first illegal defense violation, the clock is reset to 24 seconds. All subsequent violations result in one free throw and possession of the ball. If any violation occurs during the last 24 seconds of each quarter or overtime period, the offended team receives one free throw.
• If a foul committed by a player calls for a single free throw after a successful field goal in the penalty stage, no additional free throw will be allowed if the first foul attempt is missed.
• Three free throws to make two; two to make one eliminated.
• Players must report to the 8-foot box area in front of the scorer’s table before referee will beckon them into the game. Players were previously required to report “to the scorer.”
• Backcourt fouls considered common fouls and two shots will only be awarded once offending team is over the limit.
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I agree Wade would have a hard time with Pippen on both ends, and that Jordon is better than LBJ at their primes, and that Bosh would be in deep shit against Rodman. But LBJ would be better than average and a great player.
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back then you couldn't double team...

imagine a lebron iso every time down the floor? he would average 40 a game. he'd be nearly unstoppable
You could double team, but unlike now, you have to commit to the double team. You can't stunt, or hedge, or play a weakside zone which is what most teams do against superstars today(giving the guy with the ball an angle to the baseline where the defensive teams bigman is standing, playing a 1 man zone, and waiting for him).

I agree that Lebron would have been better in the 90s, not because of his scoring, but because of his passing. If teams double teamed him, he'd get his teammates even more wide open looks because it'd take an extra second or two for the defence to recover from a hard double team, versus what you see now with guys just playing an area.

The difference between eras defensively is that today it's hard to score vs good defensive teams because of the different schemes you can use to slow down star players in terms of the different types of zone defences(mainly playing ICE on the pick and rolls, and having the big man play a 1 man zone on the weakside completely leaving his man, who is then covered by the closest defender on the weakside corner, and then rotations occur to cover up quickly), versus back then where it was only man to man defence, but you could play much more physical on the perimeter and bump players who are penetrating. To make it simple, its zones vs physical play. Both are very tough to play against. And if you're able to do both without getting caught too often(Karls Supersonics were well known for playing a zone when zones weren't allowed obviously), you can be scary defensively.

But back to the topic, Rodmans very entertaining to listen to, but you can tell he's on something in the interview. And he's out of his damn mind if he isn't on something, because even though I HATE Lebron, I can admit he's one of the best ever.
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It's crazy talk. Jordan got his share of officials help.

Rodman, I mean I get where he's coming from, but i dunno man..
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You could double team, but unlike now, you have to commit to the double team. You can't stunt, or hedge, or play a weakside zone which is what most teams do against superstars today(giving the guy with the ball an angle to the baseline where the defensive teams bigman is standing, playing a 1 man zone, and waiting for him).

I agree that Lebron would have been better in the 90s, not because of his scoring, but because of his passing. If teams double teamed him, he'd get his teammates even more wide open looks because it'd take an extra second or two for the defence to recover from a hard double team, versus what you see now with guys just playing an area.

The difference between eras defensively is that today it's hard to score vs good defensive teams because of the different schemes you can use to slow down star players in terms of the different types of zone defences(mainly playing ICE on the pick and rolls, and having the big man play a 1 man zone on the weakside completely leaving his man, who is then covered by the closest defender on the weakside corner, and then rotations occur to cover up quickly), versus back then where it was only man to man defence, but you could play much more physical on the perimeter and bump players who are penetrating. To make it simple, its zones vs physical play. Both are very tough to play against. And if you're able to do both without getting caught too often(Karls Supersonics were well known for playing a zone when zones weren't allowed obviously), you can be scary defensively.

But back to the topic, Rodmans very entertaining to listen to, but you can tell he's on something in the interview. And he's out of his damn mind if he isn't on something, because even though I HATE Lebron, I can admit he's one of the best ever.
something along the lines of this is what I meant to say. thanks
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Just average, no. Harder to play than it was now, I think so. There were no soft-calls back then, they played like men. He has a right to compare the two generations.
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Oh come on, Lebron is practically bigger then anyone in the 90s. Don't give me that. Lebron adapted to these two decades where the refs get in-trouble for NOT making a call, vs making a bad call. If Lebron was able to get away with elbows, shoves, he'd run everyone in the 90s over. He can get into the paint whenever he wants where zone is allowed, and defense are able to do what they want to prevent a player in the paint.. Lebron would be a bulldozer going in the paint (which he already is) and would have scored easier. And He'd be allowed to body up, shove and hand check on defense at 6'9 260+? break away dunk all-day.

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Lebron is Malone, with Guard Skills.
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there are some talents that would dominate any generation, that's what makes the greatest of all time

LeBron is in that category

I do agree though the bulls would destroy the heat, and I understand why rodman would say this, everyone always thinks there generation is the best

some guys that are older think magic was the greatest of all time, the mid 30 guys think Jordan is the greatest, the younger generation like to compare kobe to Jordan and saying he is better, and im sure that 11 year old kid who just became a basketball fan probably think LeBron is the greatest
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