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Old 07-07-2012, 12:41 PM   #81 (permalink)
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why is it okay for one player and not right for another? allen isn't going to the heat filling a role that's already filled. besides, terry being signed was an indication that he wasn't going back to boston.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:48 PM   #82 (permalink)
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NBA players of this era are a fucking joke...this league is coming very close to being unwatchable

Why? Every league has veterans going to contenders to try and win. Most didn't have a problem with Nash going for a ring. With him it was "who can blame him".

But then again, I love the nba and think basketball is the best sport so maybe I'm bias.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:16 PM   #83 (permalink)
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why is it okay for one player and not right for another? allen isn't going to the heat filling a role that's already filled. besides, terry being signed was an indication that he wasn't going back to boston.
Pretty much. With Bradley and Terry there Allen's minutes would have been cut significantly. No reason for him to back to BOS.

What if he would have signed with the Lakers? Would that have made things better?
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Pretty much. With Bradley and Terry there Allen's minutes would have been cut significantly. No reason for him to back to BOS.

What if he would have signed with the Lakers? Would that have made things better?
terry would've been brilliant as 6th man for celtics, allowing allen to play fewer mins and aggravate that ankle less. Bradley and terry as your 2nd unit back-court woulda been awesome.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:32 PM   #85 (permalink)
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terry would've been brilliant as 6th man for celtics, allowing allen to play fewer mins and aggravate that ankle less. Bradley and terry as your 2nd unit back-court woulda been awesome.
Maybe Allen doesn't want to play fewer minutes though?
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Maybe Allen doesn't want to play fewer minutes though?
maybe. I woulda thought he'd be keen to take 4-8 mins less per game and save that ankle and the obvious pain it caused him. I'll be interested to see how many mins he gets in miami. He won't be a starter.
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Old 07-07-2012, 01:55 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Pretty much. With Bradley and Terry there Allen's minutes would have been cut significantly. No reason for him to back to BOS.

What if he would have signed with the Lakers? Would that have made things better?
Probably cause it's the Heat and most don't want to see the Heat win.

It's really ironic, people bitch that all-stars are over paid and you can never win without 2-3 on a team but it would never happen cause players are greedy bastards. Now the Celts and especially the Heat have all-stars that put winning above pay and people bitch that it's not fair. Well, all those hypocritical bastards can really just go F#$# themselves.

I for one am eager to see a true dynasty again. This league hasn't really had one since Jordan's Bulls and Kobe's Lakers. IMO it motivates other teams to bring them down, raising the competitiveness of the league and makes the toppling much more sweeter when it happens. I think it motivates the fans because what's sports without some hate and dislike? It makes people watch and root and cheer and talk the next day or scream and punch the wall.

In the end I think this is going to be a really really good thing for this league. Parity sucks. Parity has hurt NBA and NHL, to me it creates disinterest and apathy in the common fan. There are no stories or ongoing rivalries cause anyone can win it. Well, that's just fucking boring. I want to see winners and losers, I want to see dynasties rise and fall, I want to see Cinderella runs and David and Goliath match ups. I want to root for the under dog or cherish the devastation a properly assembled team does - or watch them fall.

Look at what the Heat has done to the league. It's polarized the fans, brought interest back in the casual fan. People are either cheering or wanting them to fall. It's a story that everyone keeps talking about and quite frankly, for good or for ill what the Heat have done is rejuvenate interest in the NBA again. The ultimate rivalry now, Heat vs OKC, has forced fans to take sides. Pushed ratings up in the play-offs and generated interest that will last for years. People are tuning in to watch the rise and fall of both teams. Most are tuning in to see who will rise to take down the Heat, will it be OKC or will it be another team.

This is exciting. This is sports entertainment to me.
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Probably cause it's the Heat and most don't want to see the Heat win.

It's really ironic, people bitch that all-stars are over paid and you can never win without 2-3 on a team but it would never happen cause players are greedy bastards. Now the Celts and especially the Heat have all-stars that put winning above pay and people bitch that it's not fair. Well, all those hypocritical bastards can really just go F#$# themselves.

I for one am eager to see a true dynasty again. This league hasn't really had one since Jordan's Bulls and Kobe's Lakers. IMO it motivates other teams to bring them down, raising the competitiveness of the league and makes the toppling much more sweeter when it happens. I think it motivates the fans because what's sports without some hate and dislike? It makes people watch and root and cheer and talk the next day or scream and punch the wall.

In the end I think this is going to be a really really good thing for this league. Parity sucks. Parity has hurt NBA and NHL, to me it creates disinterest and apathy in the common fan. There are no stories or ongoing rivalries cause anyone can win it. Well, that's just fucking boring. I want to see winners and losers, I want to see dynasties rise and fall, I want to see Cinderella runs and David and Goliath match ups. I want to root for the under dog or cherish the devastation a properly assembled team does - or watch them fall.

Look at what the Heat has done to the league. It's polarized the fans, brought interest back in the casual fan. People are either cheering or wanting them to fall. It's a story that everyone keeps talking about and quite frankly, for good or for ill what the Heat have done is rejuvenate interest in the NBA again. The ultimate rivalry now, Heat vs OKC, has forced fans to take sides. Pushed ratings up in the play-offs and generated interest that will last for years. People are tuning in to watch the rise and fall of both teams. Most are tuning in to see who will rise to take down the Heat, will it be OKC or will it be another team.

This is exciting. This is sports entertainment to me.
i agree with all your well made points with the exception that my naive, romantic side wants to see players who do great things with a team stay there and be legends, like duncan and KG. KG left minnesota, sure, i'm not totally against players leaving teams, he also achieved greatness at the cletics, not the wolves.

if nash had gone to NYK (as much as i dislike them,) and allen had gone to a west contender or even an east team, just not miami! I would've been much more OK with that.
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I'm old enough to remember when guys sticking with one team for most of their career was the norm, across all sports. And it was great. But the players paid a big price for that. Owners made tons of money off the backs of stars and the stars didn't have any leverage. Free agency needed to happen. Being stuck with the one employer that drafted you was just a little too akin to slavery, and not even with the luxury of getting paid big money, because the owner could just deny paying anything close to fair value. When free agency came into play, it changed everything in terms of sentimental attachments. The NBA has tried, and succeeded to a fair degree, to keep stars in place by allowing their current teams to offer more than anyone else. But with the restricted player movement it is too hard to build around those stars properly. There is too much luck involved, with a few franchises always having an edge outside of pure luck thanks to high-power execs, historical relevance, or no taxes.

And I think it would be a step forward to allow for much more player movement. A bigger, open market would allow teams to be built based on real needs rather than what is available. It would not be such a seller's market, with a balancing of risks among teams and players, since a player not taking a particular offer would risk being looked past while other players stepped in to fill needs. It would mean even less of a sense of affiliation, but I think the game itself would improve, and teams could improve much quicker with a chance of championships being there for any team with a good plan in place.
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I'm old enough to remember when guys sticking with one team for most of their career was the norm, across all sports. And it was great. But the players paid a big price for that. Owners made tons of money off the backs of stars and the stars didn't have any leverage. Free agency needed to happen. Being stuck with the one employer that drafted you was just a little too akin to slavery, and not even with the luxury of getting paid big money, because the owner could just deny paying anything close to fair value. When free agency came into play, it changed everything in terms of sentimental attachments. The NBA has tried, and succeeded to a fair degree, to keep stars in place by allowing their current teams to offer more than anyone else. But with the restricted player movement it is too hard to build around those stars properly. There is too much luck involved, with a few franchises always having an edge outside of pure luck thanks to high-power execs, historical relevance, or no taxes.

And I think it would be a step forward to allow for much more player movement. A bigger, open market would allow teams to be built based on real needs rather than what is available. It would not be such a seller's market, with a balancing of risks among teams and players, since a player not taking a particular offer would risk being looked past while other players stepped in to fill needs. It would mean even less of a sense of affiliation, but I think the game itself would improve, and teams could improve much quicker with a chance of championships being there for any team with a good plan in place.
Maybe a few years ago it would have worked but I think if you implement more movement in today's league you'll have two-three super duper teams and a bunch of trash teams. It would completely ruin the sport.....not like it isn't on that track now though.
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Maybe a few years ago it would have worked but I think if you implement more movement in today's league you'll have two-three super duper teams and a bunch of trash teams. It would completely ruin the sport.....not like it isn't on that track now though.
Not if you also firm up the cap some, with big taxes, and make trades easier to carry out. I agree there would still be trash teams, but they would have much better hopes of turning things around. You'd likely see teams at various stages of development, and the need to tank and get lucky, or grab whatever is available in free agency and overspend would be much less prominent. The only problem it wouldn't fix would be the sense of identifying with specific players on a particular team, which the league thinks is a big cash cow, and to an extent it is.
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LeBron's getting that 2nd ring, sad he could've possibly been chasing number 3.
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I'm sorry but if MJ had Wade(or Lebron), Bosh, Ray Ray, Battier, Chalmers, Miller, Haslem and possibly Camby it wouldn't even be close.
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Ray Allen Leaves Miami Without Accepting Heat's Offer | Bleacher Report

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