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ERaz 12-17-2012 09:58 PM

Question about fouling at the end of the game
 
Do you have to foul the player with the ball? When the Raps were playing Denver, they were fouling McGee on purpose even when he did not have the ball in order to get him to the free throw line in the middle of the game. Is there something I am missing here? Why can't you just foul the worst free throw shooter on the floor during end of game situations regardless if he has the ball or not? If you can do it in the middle of the game, why not during the end?

ClutchCity 12-17-2012 09:59 PM

You can do it (hack a Shaq) until the last 2 minutes left in the game.

LX 12-17-2012 10:01 PM

They changed the rules so that it can't be done that way with less than 2 minutes left. I think it's 2minutes anyway. That happened due to the hack a Shaq.

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 10:08 PM

I think the 2 minute off the ball rule changed because of Wilt Chamberlain

ERaz 12-17-2012 10:10 PM

Oh ok, so there is a rule. Makes sense. Thanks!

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 10:11 PM

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The new rule stated that if the defensive team commits an off-the-ball foul within the last two minutes of the game, the offensive team would be allowed to keep possession of the ball after the awarding of either one or two free throws. Since the entire reason for employing intentional fouling as a strategy was to quickly terminate the offensive team's possession, this new rule, when in effect, forced the team using intentional fouling to foul only the offensive player who had the ball. This brought an end to the need for Chamberlain (or any other poor free throw shooter) to play hide and seek with opposing defenders in intentional fouling situations.
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The reason they have that rule is that fouling someone off-the-ball looks foolish . . . Some of the funniest things I ever saw were players that used to chase [Wilt Chamberlain] like it was hide-and-seek. Wilt would run away from people, and the league changed the rule based on how silly that looked.
Pat Riley

ClutchCity 12-17-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptors1995 (Post 723628)
I think the 2 minute off the ball rule changed because of Wilt Chamberlain

No, LX is right. Rule was changed because of Shaq.

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 723633)
No, LX is right. Rule was changed because of Shaq.

I know some rule was changed because of Shaq. But the intial off the ball rule with 2 minutes was because of Wilt.

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Wilt Chamberlain and the off-the-ball foul rule
Chamberlain was such a great player and dominant force that he would be certain to be on the floor in late-game situations if the score was close. However, he was such a poor free throw shooter (51% over his career) that if the opposition needed to employ intentional fouling late in the game, Chamberlain would always be that team's target. Just as the opposition was eager to send Chamberlain to the free throw line because of his ineptitude there, Chamberlain himself was reluctant to go for that same reason. This led to the spectacle of virtually an entire other contest being held away from the ball and almost completely outside of the basketball game being played, as Chamberlain essentially played a de facto game of tag with defenders, attempting to run from and dodge them as they chased him trying to foul him.

The NBA decided to address this undesirable situation by instituting a new rule regarding off-the-ball fouls that is, committing a personal foul against an offensive player who neither has the ball nor is making an effort to obtain it. The new rule stated that if the defensive team commits an off-the-ball foul within the last two minutes of the game, the offensive team would be allowed to keep possession of the ball after the awarding of either one or two free throws. Since the entire reason for employing intentional fouling as a strategy was to quickly terminate the offensive team's possession, this new rule, when in effect, forced the team using intentional fouling to foul only the offensive player who had the ball. This brought an end to the need for Chamberlain, or any other poor free throw shooter, to play "hide and seek" with opposing defenders in intentional fouling situations.
Hack-a-Shaq - Hoopedia

Thug 12-17-2012 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchCity (Post 723633)
No, LX is right. Rule was changed because of Shaq.

http://www.anh-usa.org/wp-content/up...0/09/wrong.jpg

bjjs 12-17-2012 11:32 PM

I'm guessing the rule was changed because of Wilt; changed back, and then changed again because of Shaq.

I'm quite certain it was changed recently because of the hack-a-shaq

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 723670)
I'm guessing the rule was changed because of Wilt; changed back, and then changed again because of Shaq.

I'm quite certain it was changed recently because of the hack-a-shaq

I know some rule was changed because of Shaq. Perhaps it was something else relating to it.

Ligeia 12-17-2012 11:49 PM

Maybe the 5 second back-to-the-basket rule change in 2001 was related to Shaq. Every source I have seen says Raptors1995 is right.

ClutchCity 12-17-2012 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 723670)
I'm guessing the rule was changed because of Wilt; changed back, and then changed again because of Shaq.

I'm quite certain it was changed recently because of the hack-a-shaq

Me too. But what you said may be the case.

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ligeia (Post 723685)
Maybe the 5 second back-to-the-basket rule change in 2001 was related to Shaq. Every source I have seen says Raptors1995 is right.

Yeah it could be that. I was pretty sure it was Wilt regarding the 2 minute off the ball rule and that's what appears to be the case when consulting the sources online.

bjjs 12-17-2012 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ligeia (Post 723685)
Maybe the 5 second back-to-the-basket rule change in 2001 was related to Shaq. Every source I have seen says Raptors1995 is right.

I thought that was because of Charles Barkley in Houston.

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs (Post 723692)
I thought that was because of Charles Barkley in Houston.

It could be Bark

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 11:58 PM

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Charles Barkley was dominating the game in the early 1990s, he changed the rules to only allow a player to dribble with his back to the basket for a three-count, eliminating Barkley’s favorite move.
Bark

Raptors1995 12-17-2012 11:59 PM

Shaq on zone defense

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When, a few years later, Shaquille O’Neal dominated any single player sent to defend him, Stern changed the basketball player rules to effectively allow a zone defense. This helped other teams to defend him with multiple players before he even touched the ball. This also freed up other players to score and the game changed from a slow, grind-it-out game back into a high-scoring, fan friendly event
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Raptors1995 12-18-2012 12:00 AM

WILT, SHAq, BARK

bjjs 12-18-2012 12:01 AM

Houston used to throw the ball to Barkley at the three point line with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. He would then methodically back his man down for the next 10 seconds. It was wonderful basketball strategy at it's simplest form.


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