Preemptive Strike: a hypothetical trade to get Jamison
Old 02-13-2010, 11:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Okay, I was getting bored during the commercial breaks so I decided to put together a thread about a whacky idea. As the die hards around here know, Boston and Cleveland are rumored to be after Antawn Jamison. That's bad for the Raps and the Lakers, since it strengthens teams they might face in the playoffs. In the past, the Lakers have been rumored to be interested in Jose, since Fisher is getting old. They'd probably prefer Hinrich, but they might settle for Jose, especially if the trade helps prevent Boston or Cleveland from getting Jamison. For these reasons, the Lakers could be a good match for a 3 team trade that sends Jamison to the Raps.

Here is how the hypothetical trade could playout:

To Toronto

Jamison

To Lakers

Jose
POB


To Washington

Derek Fisher - expiring (Wiz buy him out. He can return to LA in 30 days)
Adam Morrison - expiring
Sonny Weems (Cheap young wing player, which the rebuilding Wiz will need)
Cash to help with the Fisher buyout
1st round pick from LA
2nd round pick from Toronto


The Wiz are getting expirings but also a decent, cheap prospect in Weems and a couple of picks.


Things to consider:

- Jamison could come off the bench as the 6th man. As Thriller pointed out in another thread, Jamison did a good job in that role while in Dallas. Jamison's ability to score would make it easier to play Banks as the back-up.

- He is an insurance policy on multiple levels. 1) Amir and Wright are free agents in the offseason. I like them, but I'm not sure they'll stay. Jamison is locked up and could become the Raps super 6th man for the remainder of this season and for next season. If Bosh stays, the Raps have a dominate front court. Jamison could get 30 minutes backing up all the front court players. If Bosh insists on leaving this summer, the Raps have Jamison to play in the front court with Bargs and Turk. This would allow BC to focus on trading Bosh for a high calibre shooting guard, if the trade has to happen

- Jamison give the Raps a lot of flexibility in the playoffs when the rotation shrinks. Using Banks for his defense isn't as problematic when you have a bench player like Jamison who can get his own offense, unlike Amir.

- With Jamison acquired, the Raps could consider trading Amir for a pick rather than losing him for nothing in the offseason.

-Yes, Jamison's contract sucks, BUT his production is not dropping off much with age. Plus, as a couple of sports writers have speculated that the 2011-12 season won't even be played, thus the last season of Jamison's contract may not even matter.

- This would be a strong statement to Bosh that the Raps care about winning....NOW.
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Old 02-14-2010, 01:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Could work, but I doubt the Raptors are going to do anything. Colangelo is giving off a vibe like he will disappoint big.
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Could work, but I doubt the Raptors are going to do anything. Colangelo is giving off a vibe like he will disappoint big.
I think he wants to do something but unless something changes it seems like there are very few options out there. The only chip he's willing to move is Calderon, and if that's the case how many good moves are available to him?
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I think he wants to do something but unless something changes it seems like there are very few options out there. The only chip he's willing to move is Calderon, and if that's the case how many good moves are available to him?
Yeah. Since Calderon is pretty much all he has to work with, I thought this whacky idea might be one of the only things that prompts BC to do a deal. It's very unrealistic, but I was bored. I meant to put a poll up to see if people would want to do this trade.

If this deal was available, would you want BC to do it, Jeff?
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Yeah. Since Calderon is pretty much all he has to work with, I thought this whacky idea might be one of the only things that prompts BC to do a deal. It's very unrealistic, but I was bored. I meant to put a poll up to see if people would want to do this trade.

If this deal was available, would you want BC to do it, Jeff?
I'm not a huge Jamison fan, so no. Plus where would he fit in? Off the bench?
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I'm convinced.. sounds like a pretty sweet deal..
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Good deal in theory although I do believe the Lakers aren't interested to take on more salary. If you can work out the deal where they don't take on anything maybe u have a deal.

ALso, I don't think David stern would just give away Jamieson as he set up the Lakers with Gasol ... at least I thought so.
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I'm not a huge Jamison fan, so no. Plus where would he fit in? Off the bench?
Yeah, the bench. That's what I said in the initial post. Jamison was a fantastic 6th man back when he played in Dallas. Now I know for sure that you don't read my posts before responding! This explains so much about our past exchanges on this forum!


Seriously, though, the Raps have no guarantee Amir or Wright will stay. This ensures that the Raps have a quality guy who can play 30 minutes at the SF/PF position off the bench. I like Amir, but the Raps already have Reggie.

If they acquired Jamison, the Raps could look at trading Amir in exchange for a pick, so that he doesn't walk for nothing.

Jamison's presence also ensures that the Raps are competitive next season if Bosh walks. They have another quality player. Jamison could jump in as a starter.
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ya dude...lets trade caldy for a player that plays just as bad D if not worse...and at a position we are stacked at...and the guy also has a shitter contract....

all this while giving up picks...like wow...
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Good deal in theory although I do believe the Lakers aren't interested to take on more salary. If you can work out the deal where they don't take on anything maybe u have a deal.

ALso, I don't think David stern would just give away Jamieson as he set up the Lakers with Gasol ... at least I thought so.
The Lakers are shedding Fisher and Morrison's contracts which are worth over $10 million this year. So, what they take back is the same. Yeah, they are adding some salary long term. That could be a problem. But this deal nets them a point who runs the offense better than anyone they currently have, and, more importantly, it prevents Cleveland and Boston from getting better. And LA probably thinks they have to go through one of those two teams to win the championship....that's why I called the trade a preemptive strike. Toronto and LA work together to keep Boston and Cleveland from getting Jamison.
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ya dude...lets trade caldy for a player that plays just as bad D if not worse...and at a position we are stacked at...and the guy also has a shitter contract....

all this while giving up picks...like wow...
Well, I guess you didn't like my suggestion of trading Amir for a pick. That's what the Raps do after acquiring Jamison. Amir may walk in the offseason.

And I'm guessing you didn't like my explanation for Jamison's contract. Fair enough, so long as you actually read my explanation. We disagree.

Jamison would make playing Banks easier. Banks is a better on the ball defender than Jose. Unlike Amir, Jamison could score without Jose's help. So, by virtue of having better point guard defense, Jamison actually helps. And on defensive possessions in the 4th quarter, you could play Jamison at the 3 instead of Turk. Jamison is better at guarding wings than Turk is. Furthemore, Jamison can rebound better than Turk. Jamison provides a lot of flexibility in that regard.
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Jamison is apparently a great team player. He would certainly fit in.

He would certainly help us all around. His contract, durability, and age are my concerns. I've always loved the guy, and he plays great against us. I

I don't think it's worth the risk ... unless we think we can make a run at winning the east.
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The Lakers are shedding Fisher and Morrison's contracts which are worth over $10 million this year. So, what they take back is the same. Yeah, they are adding some salary long term. That could be a problem. But this deal nets them a point who runs the offense better than anyone they currently have, and, more importantly, it prevents Cleveland and Boston from getting better. And LA probably thinks they have to go through one of those two teams to win the championship....that's why I called the trade a preemptive strike. Toronto and LA work together to keep Boston and Cleveland from getting Jamison.
Ok you may think Jose is a better player than Fisher overall but why would the Lakers take the risk of Jose's Contract? That contract runs deep and prob just for a marginal difference in the now. For a team that looks to have an unbelievable chance at the finals I don't see the finacial gains of getting Jose at all. You have a PG who has had repeated injuries in the course of his career and hasn't proven anything in the playoffs.

All that contract for expiring contracts and for Toronto to get a magnificient player in Jamieson. If I were Mr. Bus I'd laugh at the prospects and expect way more in this deal. Remember this is an organization used to getting Gasol for a bag of balls.
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i dont like it. jamison is a starter on 25 other teams and why would we have him as a sub 4? we re trading jose for another backup. i think bc is pursuing a defensive wing like battier honestly...
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I don't see why Jose, Wright & POB couldn't net us Jamison...

There probably going to release Gilbert which leaves them with no real point guard...Almost all of there roster is a free agent next year...

I would love to finnish games with

Jack
Hedo
Jamison
Bosh
AB

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I don't see why Jose, Wright & POB couldn't net us Jamison...

There probably going to release Gilbert which leaves them with no real point guard...Almost all of there roster is a free agent next year...

I would love to finnish games with

Jack
Hedo
Jamison
Bosh
AB

on the floor sick!!!
Worst defensive lineup in the history of the NBA! And trading Wright, our currently best defender in the process!

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We need a guard or a big C. That's all.
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Ok you may think Jose is a better player than Fisher overall but why would the Lakers take the risk of Jose's Contract? That contract runs deep and prob just for a marginal difference in the now. For a team that looks to have an unbelievable chance at the finals I don't see the finacial gains of getting Jose at all. You have a PG who has had repeated injuries in the course of his career and hasn't proven anything in the playoffs.

All that contract for expiring contracts and for Toronto to get a magnificient player in Jamieson. If I were Mr. Bus I'd laugh at the prospects and expect way more in this deal. Remember this is an organization used to getting Gasol for a bag of balls.
1 - I conceded in my last post that the long term aspects of Jose's contract could be a problem, but I doubt it's a big problem, given LA's willingness to spend. I got some issues with the additional stuff you said.

2 - The gains of getting Jose are for this year AND next. Fisher is almost 36. The Lakers have a short window to win as much as possible in the next 3-4 years before Kobe and Gasol drop off. Fisher...is...old. I doubt he'll be a significant contributor over the next couple of years.

3 - Calderon has injuries. Fair enough. That's a legititmate concern. But Fisher is old. That's also a legitimate concern. I said in my initial post LA would probably prefer Hinrich. Also, if you looked at my initial post, the Wiz buy out Fisher and he goes back to the Lakers. So, all the Lakers are giving up to get Calderon is a late 1st round pick (sent to the Wiz) and Morrison's expiring. It's Morrison, who doesn't even play, and a late first round pick in exchange for a quality point guard. That...IS...a good deal for LA.

4 - If you read my initial post, I stated that LA stands to gain from the Raps getting Jamison. Part of LA's motivation to participate in this trade is to PREVENT the Cavs or Celts from getting Jamison.

5 - Saying that the Lakers got Gasol for a "bag of balls" is ridiculous. Memphis was rebuilding and got quite a bit in return, even if some of it was unintentionally acquired by default. Memphis got Marc Gasol and TWO 1st round picks. That's hardly "a bag of balls." Marc is a great fit for Memhis, since he will reach his prime at the same time as Mayo, Conley and Gay (if they keep him). Marc's stats are great for a sophomore center. He will probably be an All-Star in this league.


Remember, for LA, this trade is just as much about what Boston or Cleveland do NOT get, as much as it is about what LA does get.
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1 - I conceded in my last post that the long term aspects of Jose's contract could be a problem, but I doubt it's a big problem, given LA's willingness to spend. I got some issues with the additional stuff you said.

2 - The gains of getting Jose are for this year AND next. Fisher is almost 36. The Lakers have a short window to win as much as possible in the next 3-4 years before Kobe and Gasol drop off. Fisher...is...old. I doubt he'll be a significant contributor over the next couple of years.

3 - Calderon has injuries. Fair enough. That's a legititmate concern. But Fisher is old. That's also a legitimate concern. I said in my initial post LA would probably prefer Hinrich. Also, if you looked at my initial post, the Wiz buy out Fisher and he goes back to the Lakers. So, all the Lakers are giving up to get Calderon is a late 1st round pick (sent to the Wiz) and Morrison's expiring. It's Morrison, who doesn't even play, and a late first round pick in exchange for a quality point guard. That...IS...a good deal for LA.

4 - If you read my initial post, I stated that LA stands to gain from the Raps getting Jamison. Part of LA's motivation to participate in this trade is to PREVENT the Cavs or Celts from getting Jamison.

5 - Saying that the Lakers got Gasol for a "bag of balls" is ridiculous. Memphis was rebuilding and got quite a bit in return, even if some of it was unintentionally acquired by default. Memphis got Marc Gasol and TWO 1st round picks. That's hardly "a bag of balls." Marc is a great fit for Memhis, since he will reach his prime at the same time as Mayo, Conley and Gay (if they keep him). Marc's stats are great for a sophomore center. He will probably be an All-Star in this league.


Remember, for LA, this trade is just as much about what Boston or Cleveland do NOT get, as much as it is about what LA does get.
I guess I'll work backwards. I do see your logic on some points but it doesn't mean I agree. Anyways

1. Two first is a bag a balls. LAs first round pics are anywhere from 28 to 30th which at times are picks big teams like to get rid of anyways.

2. The rest of your points have logic. For Toronto to get Jamieson means Cavs won't is creative. It would be nice for the Lakers to throw a little charity but all I can say is that I don't see it happening.

3. I really don't think Jerry Bus is up for taking on Jose's salary. Your logic may prove otherwise but even with Fisher starting the Lakers are still legit favourites in teh west. I don't see the Lakers spending more cash on a pretty good bet.


Like I said I see your logic its very creatvie but this risk of a play really doesn't seem to streghthen the Raps in the short term. Having bargs/bosh/jamieson on the same team may prove to be challenging. Everyone would agree its a wing player the raps need (2guard ideally) but I'm just calling out the obvious and also do understand you can go with a big and very expensive frontcourt.
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I guess I'll work backwards. I do see your logic on some points but it doesn't mean I agree. Anyways

1. Two first is a bag a balls. LAs first round pics are anywhere from 28 to 30th which at times are picks big teams like to get rid of anyways.

2. The rest of your points have logic. For Toronto to get Jamieson means Cavs won't is creative. It would be nice for the Lakers to throw a little charity but all I can say is that I don't see it happening.

3. I really don't think Jerry Bus is up for taking on Jose's salary. Your logic may prove otherwise but even with Fisher starting the Lakers are still legit favourites in teh west. I don't see the Lakers spending more cash on a pretty good bet.


Like I said I see your logic its very creatvie but this risk of a play really doesn't seem to streghthen the Raps in the short term. Having bargs/bosh/jamieson on the same team may prove to be challenging. Everyone would agree its a wing player the raps need (2guard ideally) but I'm just calling out the obvious and also do understand you can go with a big and very expensive frontcourt.
1 - Fair enough. Those picks probably won't end up being high.

2 - Fair enough. You don't see it happening. And you're almost certainly right that it won't happen. There's no indication that the team would do it.

3 - Like I said, the lenght of Jose's contract could be a big sticking point. I concede that.

It looks like the Cavs and Boston have shifted their focus to other players (Boston's looking at Iggy - Cleveland at Amar'e) so this hypothetical scenario is now almost 100% insane and not going to happen. Oh well.
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