Power Rankings

raptorsfan345 · 02-08-2010, 10:02 PM

Well i was just looking through the power rankings today and I realized something which is that the top two offensive teams this week are also the bottom two defensive teams this week. i just wanted to point that out and wondered what you guys think of that?

by the way, the teams are Toronto and Phoenix

11 Toronto (13) 28-23 Pace: 95.8 (10), Off: 109.1 (2), Def: 109.5 (30)
Their defense provided a November flashback in a 130-115 loss in Indiana, but the Raptors have won seven of their last eight, shooting 51 percent in that stretch. With the teams behind them faltering, they have a strong hold on that fifth spot in the East.
12 Phoenix (17) 31-21 Pace: 98.6 (3), Off: 111.5 (1), Def: 108.2 (29)
Though they started out 14-3, the Suns' five straight wins (four on the road) mark their longest streak of the season. Amar'e Stoudemire seems to have overcome his trade-rumor blues, averaging 26.6 points and 10 rebounds during the streak.

NBA.com: Streaking Cavs face a big test before the break

02-08-2010, 10:09 PM

It's the pace. If we score 110 points... it's unlikely the other team will score 80.

Slow teams like the Celtics and cavs with shaq in the game walk the ball up the court with few fast breaks.

Bosh mentioned this in one of his post-game interviews. We should look at opp. FG % before points scored against.

ArmChairGM · 02-08-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmats7

It's the pace. If we score 110 points... it's unlikely the other team will score 80.

Slow teams like the Celtics and cavs with shaq in the game walk the ball up the court with few fast breaks.

Bosh mentioned this in one of his post-game interviews. We should look at opp. FG % before points scored against.

No, Bmats, pace has nothing to do with it. The "Def" stat that NBA.com is referring to is the "defensive rating", which is the points allowed per 100 possessions. So pace has nothing to do with it, since all points allowed are averaged out over 100 possessions. Pace would only matter if we were talking about points per game, but NBA.com is not doing that.

The real reason probably has more to do with the type of lineups that Phoenix and Toronto put out on the court, and the way in which they try to win games.

02-09-2010, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmChairGM

No, Bmats, pace has nothing to do with it. The "Def" stat that NBA.com is referring to is the "defensive rating", which is the points allowed per 100 possessions. So pace has nothing to do with it, since all points allowed are averaged out over 100 possessions. Pace would only matter if we were talking about points per game, but NBA.com is not doing that.

The real reason probably has more to do with the type of lineups that Phoenix and Toronto put out on the court, and the way in which they try to win games.

Yes pace is the determination but teams like Boston, Cleveland, Charlotte on average have many less possessions in a game than Toronto & Phoenix. Plus while stats are valuable they also mask reality. In Toronto's case basically a new line-up coupled with an extremely bad early schedule. While Toronto will never be looked at as defensive titan they aren't as bad as the statistic. Likely about 20th but when coupled with the offense it does make them a strong team.

Snooch · 02-09-2010, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lao Wai

Yes pace is the determination but teams like Boston, Cleveland, Charlotte on average have many less possessions in a game than Toronto & Phoenix. Plus while stats are valuable they also mask reality. In Toronto's case basically a new line-up coupled with an extremely bad early schedule. While Toronto will never be looked at as defensive titan they aren't as bad as the statistic. Likely about 20th but when coupled with the offense it does make them a strong team.

Toronto sucks defensively

They havent a single player that consistantly gets after it, outside of maybe Wright

osamu · 02-09-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Snooch

Toronto sucks defensively

They havent a single player that consistantly gets after it, outside of maybe Wright

we need haywood and butler over here

Snooch · 02-09-2010, 09:01 AM

I would rather Iggy

02-08-2010, 10:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
raptorsfan345 is playing ball in hyperfuses. they feel soo nice! Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 184 Representing:	Power Rankings Well i was just looking through the power rankings today and I realized something which is that the top two offensive teams this week are also the bottom two defensive teams this week. i just wanted to point that out and wondered what you guys think of that? by the way, the teams are Toronto and Phoenix 11 Toronto (13) 28-23 Pace: 95.8 (10), Off: 109.1 (2), Def: 109.5 (30) Their defense provided a November flashback in a 130-115 loss in Indiana, but the Raptors have won seven of their last eight, shooting 51 percent in that stretch. With the teams behind them faltering, they have a strong hold on that fifth spot in the East. 12 Phoenix (17) 31-21 Pace: 98.6 (3), Off: 111.5 (1), Def: 108.2 (29) Though they started out 14-3, the Suns' five straight wins (four on the road) mark their longest streak of the season. Amar'e Stoudemire seems to have overcome his trade-rumor blues, averaging 26.6 points and 10 rebounds during the streak. NBA.com: Streaking Cavs face a big test before the break

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02-08-2010, 10:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Bmats7 is dead inside. (Edit) Guest Posts: n/a Representing:	It's the pace. If we score 110 points... it's unlikely the other team will score 80. Slow teams like the Celtics and cavs with shaq in the game walk the ball up the court with few fast breaks. Bosh mentioned this in one of his post-game interviews. We should look at opp. FG % before points scored against.

02-09-2010, 09:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
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