Pistons reject Celtics trade proposal
Old 06-23-2009, 04:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Boston Celtics appear willing to make major roster changes to balance a chance for a championship run and future financial flexibility.

The Celtics offered Ray Allen(notes) and Rajon Rondo(notes) to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton(notes), Tayshaun Prince(notes) and Rodney Stuckey(notes), league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Boston general manager Danny Ainge and Detroit’s Joe Dumars never spoke, but rather the Celtics had a lower-level executive make the pitch to a Pistons official over the past weekend, league sources said. Detroit immediately rejected the idea, and it never advanced to the two top executives speaking about particulars.
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Danny Ainge must be drunk.

You win an NBA title 2 years ago... remain VERY competitive in the playoffs this season despite being decimated by injuries down the stretch (while still winning 60+ games).... and you want to trade a perennial all-star and a great young PG who's on the verge of becoming a star?

W-H-Y????
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Stuckey/Rip/Pierce/KG/Perkins 6th man: Tayshaun
Rondo/Allen/Pierce/KG/Perkins 6th man: ?

which is better?
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I actually think the deal would have made Boston a better team. Stuckey is a lot like Rondo in the sense that they're both penetrate and dish type guys, so I don't think Boston would have lost in that sense. If Ray Allen isn't a little bit better than Rip, they're a wash. But Tayshaun is what makes Boston the landslide winner in this deal.
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Detroit was smart to turn this down. Ray Allen is almost done.
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Detroit was smart to turn this down. Ray Allen is almost done.
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I actually think the deal would have made Boston a better team. Stuckey is a lot like Rondo in the sense that they're both penetrate and dish type guys, so I don't think Boston would have lost in that sense. If Ray Allen isn't a little bit better than Rip, they're a wash. But Tayshaun is what makes Boston the landslide winner in this deal.
Stuckey does NOT = Rondo.

Not even close.

Rondo has shown the ability to put his team on his back when needed.... Stuckey hasn't.

If Rondo continues to play to his ability he could very well be an all-star this year... Stuckey won't.

Again... why make this trade if you're BOS? You already have a championship calibre team that just won B2B 60-win seasons. Unnecessary move IMO. They should focus on picking up a guy like Sheed if they can to shore up the frontline.
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Apparently River called Rondo an almost uncoachable player.
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Stuckey does NOT = Rondo..
Pretty confident I never said that. Boston may have lost a little at the point with Stuckey, but with Tayshaun, Rip, Pierce, and KG would it really have mattered? Yes, Rondo is the better point guard, but Stuckey never got to play with three hall of fame players. Instead, what he got was a handful of washed up allstars who had no desire to play basketball anymore.

So...

Detroit does NOT = Boston
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Yeah, but they've already got a shit load of that.
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Yeah, but they've already got a shit load of that.
more is good

I wouldn't be surprised if they spend this years cap space on Gordon ($11 mil) and Boozer ($14 mil)

Rondo/Gordon/?/Boozer/? + $20 mil of cap space from Allen's contract
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If I'm the Celts I would do this in a heartbeat.

Letting Stuckey run the show would be a gamble, but if he panned out they would be such a force. The combined skills and experience of Rip, Prince, KG and Pierce would be unstoppable.
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If I'm the Celts I would do this in a heartbeat.

Letting Stuckey run the show would be a gamble, but if he panned out they would be such a force. The combined skills and experience of Rip, Prince, KG and Pierce would be unstoppable.
That's the thing though... why gamble? You ALREADY dominated the league with a healthy KG.

Why not keep the roster intact for at least another season and see how things go? Pretty hard to improve on a 62-win season.
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That's the thing though... why gamble? You ALREADY dominated the league with a healthy KG.

Why not keep the roster intact for at least another season and see how things go? Pretty hard to improve on a 62-win season.
everyone around them is trying to improve

Cavs are looking to get Shaq or VC for example

so why should they stand pat?

the trade will better their team and make them deeper
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That's the thing though... why gamble? You ALREADY dominated the league with a healthy KG.

Why not keep the roster intact for at least another season and see how things go? Pretty hard to improve on a 62-win season.
Why not be twice as dominant?

I would wager heavily on the fact that Stuckey can play at a high level more consistently in a stable enviroment. Like Rondo he has the ability to get to the basket, but also has a better mid-range game and can keep defenses more honest.

This also gives them more depth and two excellent defenders.
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wow, i remember saying the Celts would be complete idiots to let Rondo go, but if they ever got away with this trade they would have looked like geniuses.

we all know Rondo is > stuckey, but at the same time stuckey is no slouch either and is very capable of being the better (passing) PG than Rondo. Rondo is turning into a star, we all can see that, however, Rondo has the potential of turning into a one-man show and neglecting his teamates.
Stuckey would be a super PG on a deep squad, and wouldnt be asked to do too much.

The deal breaker would have been Rip and Prince for Allen.
lets look at that for a second. Allen is broken, he's slowing down at what looks to be an alarming rate. if you could somehow get Rip AND Tayshaun for him that would be phenominal.
I dont blame Detroit for passing on this, they would have been shafted.
nice try by Ainge.
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Why not be twice as dominant?

I would wager heavily on the fact that Stuckey can play at a high level more consistently in a stable enviroment. Like Rondo he has the ability to get to the basket, but also has a better mid-range game and can keep defenses more honest.

This also gives them more depth and two excellent defenders.
I suppose so.... still too much of a gamble for my taste.

BOS is still the odds on favourite to come out of the East with a healthy KG IMO. Trade or no trade.

I think that they'd be better served by trying to clear some space to sign Sheed for the MLE if that's possible or even eating some luxury tax to get him for a year or 2.

If Stuckey CAN'T run the show it could blow up in their faces.
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BOS is still the odds on favourite to come out of the East with a healthy KG IMO. Trade or no trade.
Cleveland and Orlando would disagree
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I suppose so.... still too much of a gamble for my taste.

BOS is still the odds on favourite to come out of the East with a healthy KG IMO. Trade or no trade.

I think that they'd be better served by trying to clear some space to sign Sheed for the MLE if that's possible or even eating some luxury tax to get him for a year or 2.

If Stuckey CAN'T run the show it could blow up in their faces.
Odds on favourite?

I'm pretty sure Cleveland will be the odds on favourite and depending on what happens in Orlando, that would put them as 3rd best.
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Cleveland and Orlando would disagree
CLE and ORL can't match BOS's talent and experience.

The Cavs are still a one-man show and that won't beat the Celts in a 7-game series. If they add VC I'll reconsider.

ORL won ONE game in the NBA finals.... the first time they've been back in 15 years... there's no way that I rank them ahead of the Celts based on one good post-season.
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